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igor.fogarasi
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Posted: Wed 01 Aug, 2012 1:17 pm

You probably meant F. crassifolia not crispifolia or whatever, and no I didn't mix them up - I have both varieties. Meiwa has much more leathery leaves compared to Nagami.
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Posted: Wed 01 Aug, 2012 1:17 pm

elsedgwick wrote:
I've just started seeing shiranui, which I gather is the generic name for Dekopon, for offer in N. Florida; apparently it was released in Florida within the last few weeks. So if you've been waiting, just keep your eyes open.


elsedgwick, where are you seeing the Shiranui mandarin available in Florida? What nurseries or growers are offering this mandarin?

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Posted: Wed 01 Aug, 2012 1:20 pm

yes, sorry !

I mixed it up ... Embarassed

I just wonder how you got it .. I do not find it in ANY nursery ...

Since you are outside of EU, it is as bad as you would be in USA or elsewhere ... Sad
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Posted: Wed 01 Aug, 2012 1:54 pm

hoosierquilt wrote:
elsedgwick wrote:
I've just started seeing shiranui, which I gather is the generic name for Dekopon, for offer in N. Florida; apparently it was released in Florida within the last few weeks. So if you've been waiting, just keep your eyes open.


elsedgwick, where are you seeing the Shiranui mandarin available in Florida? What nurseries or growers are offering this mandarin?


I'd like to know the nursery too.

http://idtools.org/id/citrus/citrusid/factsheet.php?name=Shiranui

Quote from above

Dekopon was originally a brand name, it has become a genericized trademark and it is used to refer to all brands of the fruit; the generic name is shiranuhi or shiranui...

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Posted: Sat 06 Oct, 2012 11:58 pm

Today I bought a Shiranui tangerine in local Home Depot.
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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 12:03 am

Congrats !!! Smile

Wish I get it here in europe too ... Rolling Eyes
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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 1:42 am

Nice, Viktor! Sure wish I could get one here in California Crying or Very sad

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 9:50 am

That tag is from Record Buck farms.

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 2:58 pm

Well, even if growers get the clearance to ship out of the state of Florida, they still can't ship into CA, AZ or TX. I don't think the CCPP has acquired any Dekopon/Shiranui budwood. They were working hard to try to find a source, but then all the HLB hit, and they all have been sidelined with managing for HLB, now. So, hopefully, there will be budwood for us here in Calif soon.

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 4:01 pm

Patty I would assume that someone has gotten a few seeds from the fruit out there. In my experience Mandarins will produce from seed in 3-5 years when planted in the ground.

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 4:09 pm

Yup. Eventually someone will propagate from seed, hopefully be able to get their trees certified for grafting, and then trees available for retail purchase will be available. I know the CCPP was pursuing a budwood source, but that fell through. Not sure if they've been able to procure a new budwood source. I emailed them to see. That, and I'd love to see a budwood source for a blood mandarin. I know Willits & Newcomb has a patent on their "Red Nules" and will not distribute trees to anyone but commercial growers, which is odd because I have yet to see one sold in the stores. Maybe commercial orchards still have not produced their first commercial crop here in Calif, but they are still guarding that patent fiercely. Like Griffith Farms is with the Dekopon.

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 5:30 pm

Sorry; I didn't notice the posts re: location of stores until just now. Check the big boxes, particularly Home Depot; as Laaz noted, they come from Record Buck. I first noticed them on a drive back from Tampa earlier this summer, and later picked one up from the HD on Capital Circle NE in Tallahassee. At that time, they had three or four left, and they had been there for a while - I don't think word has gotten out outside of the avid citrus circles yet, and so many people probably pass them up as an unknown. Some were labelled "Shiranui Tangerine" and some "Shiranui Orange", but all had identical mandarin-type leaves. The one that had a rootstock sprout was on Swingle.
For anyone close enough to make the drive to Tallahassee but far away enough that they don't want to risk the store being sold out, I would be happy to drop by and check on the inventory, and even buy and hold a plant for you if they still have them.
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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 9:40 pm

viktor wrote:
Today I bought a Shiranui tangerine in local Home Depot


Hi Viktor,

Which one was it. I saw one at Davis Hwy. Also Ponkon which I bought so that I could have two. They had a cocktail with Ponkon on it too.

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Posted: Sun 07 Oct, 2012 10:57 pm

Hi Charle,
I was at Davis Hwy last Saturday but did not to see Shiranui tangerine.This Home Depot is on the 9 Mile Rd.They had two citrus , I bought one of them. Second citrus have one fruit and broken twig
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Posted: Mon 08 Oct, 2012 12:41 am

A friend bought lots of dekopan fruit at $3 a pound and finally found a few seeds to plant. James tells me the Japanese put the fruit in cold storage for several months to develop the flavor.

I predict the fruit won't hold up to it's California reputation if grown in Texas.

My own seedless kishu doesn't produce anything like the flavor it does in California. I topworked it to cara cara navel although I am letting on kishu branch bear just to make sure.

from http://articles.latimes.com/2004/jan/15/home/hm-citrus15

"One recent hit out of Riverside is the 'Seedless Kishu,' a miniature mandarin from Japan that thrives in all regions.

"Everyone who tastes them loves them," says Ottillia J. "Toots" Bier, staff research associate in botany and plant sciences at UC Riverside. Bier tastes all new varieties and decides which make the grade."
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