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Posted: Tue 01 May, 2012 3:38 pm

It is very similar in the United States. Apples and pears are labeled by cultivar because typical consumers can readily tell the difference between different cultivars. All cultivars of navel oranges are labeled navel oranges and not distinguished by cultivar. Valencia oranges are sold as Valencia oranges. Lemons are divided into two size classes and sold as large lemons and small lemons and are not distinguished by cultivar. Large seedless limes are sold as limes. They are not sold under their cultivar name although there is only one cultivar of large lime that is generally available. Small seedy limes typically come in mesh bags and are sold as Key limes or Mexican limes. Grapefruit is sold as pink grapefruit or white grapefruit or under a marketing name such as Texas Ruby Red grapefruit which encompasses multiple cultivars. Mandarins are an exception. They are usually sold under their cultivar name or a marketing name such as Cuties or Delite but even those sold under a marketing name often have the cultivar printed on the bag. Minneola tangelos, Meyer lemons and other specialty citrus are sold under their cultivar name when they are available. In general, if a typical consumer can't tell the difference between two different cultivars of a fruit then no distinction is made in the way they are sold.

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Posted: Tue 01 May, 2012 5:04 pm

MarcV wrote:
The problem with citrus fruit on the market in Belgium is that they are often not labelled with the variety name. When one buys apples or pears, one asks for a specific variety, like Jonagold which is a very popular apple variety here.

Not so with citrus fruit. Oranges are either meant for "eating" (navels) or "juicing" (non navels). Lemons are just lemons and grapefruit are either "pink" or "yellow".


Same here.
The worst thing is that we don't have many types of citrus trees in supermarkets. Lemons, oranges, mandarins, grapefruits and that's about it.
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Posted: Tue 01 May, 2012 5:09 pm

All produce in the US should have a PLU sticker.

http://xmb.stuffucanuse.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=5170

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Posted: Tue 01 May, 2012 5:36 pm

PLU stickers are usually present on grapefruits. But as far as I know, PLU codes are just a description of a fruit type, not the variety...

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Posted: Tue 01 May, 2012 6:09 pm

Here, in the stores the sticker usually will say "Persian lime" or whatever the variety is & also the state or country it came from.

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Posted: Wed 02 May, 2012 5:30 am

Winamp wrote:
I'm afraid I still don't know much about polyembrionic seeds. Somewhere I read that when the seed is polyembrionic, only one tree that came out of seed will give fruits just like mother's. Do I need to engraft that tree if I want to have quality fruits or not?


It is thoroughly the opposite. Only one embryo (in case of polyembryony) is potentially a hybrid variety. The other ones are genetically same to the mother tree.
The practice is to leave the seedlings grow their first pair of true leaves, and then identify and separate the odd one. Other ones carry genetic material of the mother tree.

As for the PLU stickers. Jaffa Red Pomelo (Israel), it had no mature seeds though... Laughing





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Posted: Wed 02 May, 2012 5:57 am

So the tree that is the same still needs to be engrafted?
Anyway, here's my polyembrionic grapefruit:

http://desmond.imageshack.us/Himg19/scaled.php?server=19&filename=dsc00230vb.jpg&res=landing

I guess I won't be able to different these two trees, but I'm sure I will find some help here Smile
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Posted: Wed 02 May, 2012 9:51 am

Above mentioned method is easier to utilize when there are 3 or more sprouted embryos... In your case (only two embryos) the only way to identify the odd one is to compare it to the mother tree. As I presume the seeds are taken from a store bought grapefruit, there's no way to tell whether it carries mother's genes or not. Obviously you'll have to perform a blind folded guess... Laughing
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Posted: Wed 02 May, 2012 10:45 am

And I need to seperate them, right?
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Posted: Wed 02 May, 2012 11:30 am

You should've already done it... If you leave the seedlings grow, their roots will get tangled up badly, and you'll end up having lots of fun transplanting them to separate pots. An advice, when transplanting citrus seedlings, pinch their taproot tips to promote root branching, which usually results in more vigorous seedling growth. Good luck!

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Posted: Thu 03 May, 2012 10:26 pm

Polyembryonic means more than 1 seedling grows from 1 seed.
Also, if only 1 seedling from a seed grows, it can be polyembrionic.

Polyembrionic (nuclear) are 100 % from ovary and will come absolut true, if no mutation apeared.
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Sylvain
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Posted: Fri 04 May, 2012 3:28 am

> Polyembryonic means more than 1 seedling grows from 1 seed.
Yes.

> Also, if only 1 seedling from a seed grows, it can be polyembrionic.
No, but it can be nucelar.

> Polyembrionic (nuclear) are 100 % from ovary and will come absolut true, if no mutation apeared.
No, one can be zygotic.
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Posted: Fri 04 May, 2012 5:14 am

how can that be, if it is 100 % from ovary ?
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Posted: Fri 04 May, 2012 6:19 am

Polyembryonic means several embryos.
Nucelar means coming from the nucelle (nucellus) . These are clones of the mother plant.

In a polyembryonic seed you have one zygotic (fecundated) seedling _that can abort_, the others are nucelar.
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Posted: Fri 04 May, 2012 6:56 am

Aha ...

As I learned polyembryonic and nuclear is same.

The original zygotic embryo dies and then the nuclear embryos grow from the overy to replace it.
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