Citrus Growers Forum

Millet · Posted: Fri 04 May, 2012 12:03 pm

The zygotic embryo usually dies by being crowed out by the nucellar embryos, but the zygot can frequently survive and germinate. The nucellar embryos begin their growth before the zygotic embryo, this head start is what normally enables the nucellar embryos to grow to the point that they are able to crowed the zygotic embryo out of space, thus it is killed. - Millet (259 BO-)

Sanguinello · Gest

aha, new to me ...

but in result most are clones

citrusguy · Citruholic Joined: 30 Oct 2012 Posts: 31 Location: 7a

So all things considered, the ultimate basis for deciding if a seedy is worthy propagating is if it's a true from seed?

Just propagated Cutie (Clementine or W. Murcott) Mandarins from the local supermarket. Understand Clementines are not true from seed.

> Question, how true is this: thought I read some place (not on this forum) that at the stage of grafting, if you graft seedless variety [scion] onto a seedy variety [root-stock] then the resulting scion will naturally yield fair number of seedy fruit?

That is to say, the scion/budwood that you graft will take on certain characteristics of the root stock.

Sanguinello · Gest

Best stuff were seedlings ...

Like the original Clementine in Algeria ...

citrange · Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2012 5:51 pm

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That is to say, the scion/budwood that you graft will take on certain characteristics of the root stock.

I don't believe this is true.
The rootstock does control the flow of chemicals and nutrients to the scion, so the vigour of the top variety or even the sweetness of its fruits may be affected but its basic characteristics will not alter. So, grafting to a lemon rootstock doesn't result in a lemon shape, colour or flavour; grafting to a trifoliate rootstock doesn't give any tendency to trifoliate leaves and I very much doubt that a seedy rootstock gives any increase in seediness.

Radoslav · Posted: Thu 24 Jan, 2013 5:44 pm

My yesterday visit at the Tesco store:

c. limon Femminello selection "Primofiore" from Italy
c. limon "Lamas" from Turkey
c. paradisi "Rio Red" from Turkey
s.sinensis "Moro" from Italy
c.maxima "Honey" from China

ilyaC · Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2013 12:33 pm

Last week at the local fruit market I was surprised by the size of Minneola from Israel.
To the left are citrons, to the right Ugli:

In the past I never appreciated Minneolas, too acid for me; but this time they were really great, sweet and very aromatic.
I begin even to suspect that it is some other tangelo, not Minneola.

After eating 3 fruits ( almost one kilogram) found in one of them two seeds.

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Radoslav · Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2013 3:55 pm

I ate one Rio Red grapefruit - found 1 seed and 3 Moro fruits - first fruit - no seeds, second - 1 seed, third - 5 seeds, so I sow them all.

Laaz · Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2013 4:04 pm

But you will be waiting years for fruit. Even in my climate where they are planted in the ground it takes up to 5 years to fruit.

I do grow from seed when it is a rare citrus I can not get otherwise, but the common citrus I can get budwood for.

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Radoslav · Posted: Sat 26 Jan, 2013 5:14 pm

Yes, it has sence only in "hard to find" citrus case, I can get Moro budwood easily, if I wish, but my goal is to check the possibility of cross, I sow seeds of jaffa red pomelo in the past and seedlings have few trifoliate and bifoliate leafes.