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Darkman
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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 7:37 pm

Mine are also flushing.

I'm also worried that CLM's might show up early. Last year was horrible for them.

Any thoughts on the little buggers?

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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 8:22 pm

My prized Meyer started sending out loads buds in early October and went dormant shortly thereafter. I didn't experience a freezing temperatures until about 3 weeks go so I covered it up the two trees then (temperature bottomed out around -4c or 25f) . I had a peek under the sheet yesterday and the flower buds are still intact. I am hoping that these buds will successfully flower once the weather warms up. I believe these trees started from rooted cuttings so I suspect they will wake up faster than those on PT roots.

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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 8:31 pm

Well, Imidacloprid applied to the soil (systemic) about 2 to 3 weeks before a flush is usually recommended (takes that long to travel up into the leaves). Hard when the flush is this early, as the warm weather may also stimulate CLM activity. The gulf states see CLM with both spring and summer flushes, so you all in the gulf states usually need at least 2 applications. Here in S. California, we don't see CLM activity until after July, with the second summer flush, so we don't apply until the beginning of July.

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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 9:04 pm

CLM does not hit the first flush here. They usually turn up in late June or early July.

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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 9:09 pm

That's the same for us here too, Laaz, but I think folks way down south see CLM in the spring, too. Best best I guess is to check with your local extension agent to see best practices. I have started applying Imidacloprid twice a year, as protection for the ACP, which is inevitably arriving to our area of N. San Diego county, as it is only about 10 miles east of me, now, sadly. So, better safe now, than finding it and be unprotected.

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Posted: Mon 28 Jan, 2013 10:22 pm

Laaz wrote:
CLM does not hit the first flush here. They usually turn up in late June or early July.


Laaz,

That's been our experience however I worry with our fairly regular 70 degree temps this Winter we may see more flushes this year and a phenominal climate for the pests. I believe the commercial guys are treating three times a year now.

I think I'll start soon. I can't afford another year like last year. Way too much damage from CLM on my young trees.

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Posted: Tue 29 Jan, 2013 11:05 pm

Patty, after that cold blast, you won´t have troubles this year.
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Posted: Wed 30 Jan, 2013 1:07 am

Charles they don't really do much harm besides making the tree unsightly...

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Posted: Wed 30 Jan, 2013 6:09 pm

Laaz wrote:
Charles they don't really do much harm besides making the tree unsightly...


I wouldn't except my trees are young. It seems to me the tree would not have enough leaf surface area for optimum growth.

Does the tree have an overabundance of leaves to cope with CLM activity?

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Posted: Wed 30 Jan, 2013 6:15 pm

I have such heavy CLM pressure here, and my trees are so young, that I have to treat. I don't worry about my older (+ 5 yo) trees, but my trees that are less than 5 years old just have too many new and tender leaves. It is not unusual to have 100% affected leaves if the leaves are new enough and tender enough. I missed one of my very new trees last year, and it nearly killed the tree. Hoping it rebounds this spring. And, the cold blast will not kill these dratted moths unfortunately. They still seem to be able to come back with as much vengeance as the year before. I have simply resigned myself to treating in the beginning of July through October/November (depending upon how warm we stay).

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Posted: Wed 30 Jan, 2013 7:14 pm

My name is MrClint and I have a CLM problem... Smile

Right now I'm fighting ants and the problems that follow. My young and tender flushes are mostly ravaged by aphids, mealybugs and scale. The CLM are a secondary problem. I've got to ask if using Imidacloprid (Bayer Advanced Fruit, Citrus, and Vegetable Insect Control) gives anyone pause? It's not a good thing for bees, as blossoms tend to come along with growth flushes this time of year.

File this under wishful thinking, but I hoping that keeping ants away will allow CLM predator numbers to grow. I may be singing a different tune next year.

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Posted: Wed 30 Jan, 2013 11:49 pm

For my more mature trees, I don't really care. But, for my new trees, I get 100% affectation on all leaves, so it can be stunting to a very young tree with all tender leaves. My poor Bloomsweet grapefruit looks terrible, and is struggling all due to severe CLM damage (I missed treating it as it was in a container, and I just missed it). So, hoping it will rebound this spring. No flushing, yet, and hoping it will make it.

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Posted: Thu 31 Jan, 2013 11:45 pm

Typically leaf miners miss the first flush here too. Its around the same June July, though this year may be different. My grapefruit and lemon have bloomed already...

Charles i would definately treat your trees, they still too young. If we have a bad year you could be in for some ugly trees for years


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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2013 7:00 pm

The stems that have the decimated CLM leaves on them should push new leaves this year as the old leaves fall off so hopefully by mid season my trees should be looking great again.

I think I'll treat early this year just in case the CLM life cycle starts early.

Question What does the moth look like?

Question Are there effective lure traps?

All should be great

IF

We do not get a bad freeze event between now and mid March.

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Posted: Wed 06 Feb, 2013 7:11 pm

The moth is itty bitty. Pretty hard to see. Comes out at in the evening or early night. And yes, there are effective phermone traps. See links below:

http://www.ipm.ucdavis.edu/PMG/PESTNOTES/pn74137.html

http://www.iscatech.com/ecommerce/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=5

ISCA is an excellent company to do business with.

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