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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Wed 02 Jan, 2013 6:31 pm |
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Morton fruits are very often distorted, but this was an extreme, probably due to the early fruit damage by spider mite. Below are last November harvest:
_________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5642 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Wed 02 Jan, 2013 6:35 pm |
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Thanks ilya. Yes that photo is common for Morton, but the fingered is not common. Mite damage is probably correct. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Sun 13 Jan, 2013 9:52 am |
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Radoslav wrote: | this is strange, because if they said, that this plant is result of one student work - cross of unshiu and poncirus , so I expected, that it will be zygotic seedling from unshiu fruit pollinated by poncirus pollen. Speaking of nucellar seedling sounds like they got seeds, not plant and made a clon - but I think, there is another reason, better wait what Mr. Broza will say. |
Radoslav,
Any news from Mr. Broza?
In the article on Russian citruses that dates of year 1951 there is a winter hardiness ranking for "Chimère Satsuma x Trifoliata" _________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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Radoslav Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Slovak Republic
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Posted: Sun 13 Jan, 2013 5:56 pm |
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Finaly, I asked Mr. Broza and got following answer. :
B. Voss got this plant in 2000, from the hands of the director of university greenhouse.
About the origin. : Mr. Broza asked the founders of greenhouse collections about the origin of this variety several times in the past, but never got clear answer. So ... who knows. |
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Radoslav Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Slovak Republic
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Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2013 4:16 am |
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Update,
yesterday, Snek - member of this forum, told me, that there are two different cross between unshiu and poncirus, one from former USSR, which has a bit different leaves, than that usnhiu x poncirus from Prague and also fruit is more like poncirus fruit than satsuma and is more cold hardy, than unshiu x poncirus from Prague. |
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snek Citruholic
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 58 Location: EU-CZ, Brno, 49°14´N, 16°35´E, 248m, zone 6b/7a
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Radoslav Moderator
Joined: 03 May 2008 Posts: 453 Location: Slovak Republic
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Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2013 2:30 pm |
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Got a sad news today, Mr. Urban passed away at the age of 82. The part of Czechoslovak citrus history is gone forever. R.I.P. |
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Roberto Citruholic
Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 132 Location: Vienna/Austria
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Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2013 7:44 pm |
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I have some seedlings of this variety. It turned out to be quite hardy. I am sure that "Prague" is SatsumaXFlying Dragon. The second Citsuma seems to be a cross between normal Poncirus and Satsuma. Maybe -like Dragonlime- with "Prague" Poncirus FD was the "mother" and pollen came from C. unshiu. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5642 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2013 7:52 pm |
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Sad to hear Rad. R.I.P. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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snek Citruholic
Joined: 31 Jul 2009 Posts: 58 Location: EU-CZ, Brno, 49°14´N, 16°35´E, 248m, zone 6b/7a
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Posted: Mon 14 Jan, 2013 8:51 pm |
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Roberto wrote: | I have some seedlings of this variety. It turned out to be quite hardy. I am sure that "Prague" is SatsumaXFlying Dragon. The second Citsuma seems to be a cross between normal Poncirus and Satsuma. Maybe -like Dragonlime- with "Prague" Poncirus FD was the "mother" and pollen came from C. unshiu. |
Yes, I have a similar view _________________ http://www.citrusy.estranky.cz/ |
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Sanguinello Gest
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Posted: Tue 15 Jan, 2013 1:42 am |
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R.I.P
M condolences to the family. |
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Roberto Citruholic
Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 132 Location: Vienna/Austria
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Posted: Fri 27 Sep, 2013 7:44 am |
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In the last years the grafted scion of my trifoliate Citsuma "Prague"- sport has always flowered but did not keep its fruits. This year I have 4 or 5! They are ripe now and seem to bee "normal" PT-fruits. When I checked my "Prague" tree a few days ago I found a new trifoliate twig on top. It is similar to my "strange thing". Bernhard Voss told me, that he has found such shoots on his plant aswell. But if "Prague" is a chimera -why is the whole Plant that cold hardy? Mine survived last Winter only with sun protection. Minimum temperature -12°C Pictures will follow! |
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 274 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Fri 27 Sep, 2013 10:32 am |
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Roberto wrote: | In the last years the grafted scion of my trifoliate Citsuma "Prague"- sport has always flowered but did not keep its fruits. This year I have 4 or 5! They are ripe now and seem to bee "normal" PT-fruits. When I checked my "Prague" tree a few days ago I found a new trifoliate twig on top. It is similar to my "strange thing". Bernhard Voss told me, that he has found such shoots on his plant aswell. But if "Prague" is a chimera -why is the whole Plant that cold hardy? Mine survived last Winter only with sun protection. Minimum temperature -12°C Pictures will follow! |
It could be that these temperatures killed most satsuma cells in the chimera and it is now predominately poncirus. _________________ Best regards,
Ilya |
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Fri 27 Sep, 2013 8:21 pm |
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I have fruits on my Pragues. They are not at all like poncirus fruits.
They are far from ripe because we had a very bad spring and all the citrus are 2 months late.
Only the PT are getting ripe. |
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Roberto Citruholic
Joined: 02 Jun 2009 Posts: 132 Location: Vienna/Austria
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Posted: Mon 30 Sep, 2013 11:10 am |
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Sylvain, what do you mean when you say not all like poncirus fruit? Are there some like PT-fruits? I tasted mine in the meantime and had the feeling that these fruits are a bit diffferent from regular PT. Less resin -I tried a PT-Flying Dragon-fruit - an d the juice not bitter at all. If you have both rtifoliate and mono/bifoliate branches you shold cut trifoliate back (or completely get rid of them). They are much more vigorous than the others. At least that is what I saw. I wonder what DNA-analysis could bring out -are these twigs just PT or are they something new? |
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