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Looking for flying dragon seeds or seedlings in FL.
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jsvand5
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Posted: Mon 16 Jun, 2008 1:26 am

I know it's not really the right time of year for seeds, but I figured I would give it a shot. I have been having an impossible time finding seeds down here. Even if you will not have them until the fall please let me know. I don't mind waiting.
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Posted: Thu 03 Jul, 2008 9:55 am

That makes two of us. I got seeds from Tradwinds Fruit out of California, twice, and both times the seed were shriveled and never germinated. Any help would be appreciated.
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Posted: Thu 03 Jul, 2008 10:53 pm

I have FD seed in the frig that seem to be viable. I planted some a few weeks ago and they are up. I will send them at no charge, but may require postage. Send a message via this forum if you would like some. Sorry, but I don't believe citrus seed can be sent to Florida.

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Posted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 1:27 am

Ned-
I sent you a PM
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Posted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 11:46 am

Ned, I don't think sending seeds is a problem at all. - MIllet
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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 1:10 am

Florida has banned import of even seeds without permit. However, it is legal to import fruits without a permit.

This is the summary from FL DPI webpage:

CITRUS PESTS
PEST: All injurious insects, plant diseases or disorders of citrus.

STATES REGULATED: ALL.

MATERIALS REGULATED: Any and all kinds of citrus plants and parts thereof.

RESTRICTIONS: It is unlawful to move into Florida any and all kinds of citrus trees and parts thereof except by a special permit from the Division Director. Permits are not required to move citrus fruits into the state. Federal Domestic Quarantines regulate the interstate movement of fruit from areas known to harbor fruit flies injurious to citrus.

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Millet
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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 12:42 pm

I am not sure, but I don't think that pertains to citrus seed. I believe it only pertains to the various parts of the tree itself. I believe I remember a posting on this forum by Dr. Manners stating diseases are not transported through citrus seed. - Millet
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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 2:28 pm

I am pretty sure Skeeter is right. I think we had this debate here before and came to the conclusion that Florida was the only state that would not allow the importation of citrus seed, which seems quite strange, given the disease problems in Florida.

If someone can establish that that is not the case, I would be happy to send the seed. Maybe Dr. Manners kind enough to set us straight if he sees this.

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Millet
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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 3:23 pm

Well, Dr. Manners could answer this question. As the situation now stands, it is not the State of Florida that requires citrus disease protection, it is all the other citrus States, that needs to be protected from Florida. - Millet
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Ned
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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 7:05 pm

I have sent an email to the Florida's Department of Plant Industry asking for an answer to this question. If and when I get a response, I will post it here.

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Posted: Sun 06 Jul, 2008 11:46 pm

I remember reading a more detailed part of the regulations where it expressly said all citrus parts "including seeds" last year when I was interested in getting seeds from Ned.

The easy way to meet the legal requirements is to send whole fruit with seeds. The regulations do not prohibit whole fruit.

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Posted: Mon 07 Jul, 2008 12:37 am

What Skeet points out is atypical in deed. If it turns out that seeds can't be sent to Florida, it's OK to send citrus peels, citrus flesh, and citrus seeds in the form of a whole fruit. Government regulations, don't ya'love them? - Millet
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Posted: Mon 07 Jul, 2008 4:06 pm

Do you think CA would put up with a ban on citrus fruit shipped into FL?

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Posted: Mon 07 Jul, 2008 5:19 pm

Skeet, no I agree with you, California would protest. But shipping California fruit is not my point. My point is why ban seed if all other parts (including seed) can be shipped into FL in the guise of fruit. My question really does not require an answer. It is just government. - Millet.
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Posted: Mon 07 Jul, 2008 9:47 pm

I think that they would love to ban citrus fruits, but they can't. On the other hand they want to reduce risk anyway they can.

My understanding is that the seeds even from a fruit with canker would not be infected inside the fruit, but depending on how the seeds are handle they could get infected when they are collected. Currently there are no other states with citrus canker, so whole fruit from inside the US is really not a risk. However, FL and USDA probably can block import of fruit from countries with canker without inspection/treatment.

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