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Hilltop Citruholic
Joined: 16 May 2009 Posts: 217 Location: Signal Hill (near Long Beach / LA), CA
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Posted: Sat 06 Jun, 2009 2:23 am |
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Can buds that have apparently fallen off regrow? The reason why I'm asking is I was looking for some scions to pick to graft to my tree and I saw some scions that had buds that looked like they had either fallen off or were broken off. I couldn't quiet be sure. Some even looked a little brown above the petriole. Maybe they died off or maybe there were once small flower buds there.
Would these be good candidates to use for grafting? Can buds that had apparently fallen off, broken off or died off for some reason grow back again and be used as scions? |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Sat 06 Jun, 2009 9:46 am |
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I have never really seen what you are describing, but there are potentially multiple bud eyes above each leaf scar. I posted a question about this a couple yr ago when a couple T-buds that I had forced were broken off--they were only about 1/4 inch long and I was concerned that I had lost the graft. Fortunately, there was a second bud in one of the grafts--it grew over 4 ft that year! _________________ Skeet
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buddinman Citrus Guru
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 343 Location: Lumberton Texas zone 8
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Posted: Sat 06 Jun, 2009 3:17 pm |
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It sounds like the leaf petitoles are being described and not the actual bud. |
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citrange Site Admin
Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 590 Location: UK - 15 miles west of London
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Posted: Sat 06 Jun, 2009 4:08 pm |
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If you are really desperate to propagate some rare variety and no other budwood is available, then it's worth trying. I've had fairly hopeless looking budwood start sprouting after several years doing nothing - except perhaps slowly regenerating a viable bud.
However, in my experience, the bigger and fatter the bud the faster it's likely to start growing. |
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Hilltop Citruholic
Joined: 16 May 2009 Posts: 217 Location: Signal Hill (near Long Beach / LA), CA
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Posted: Sat 06 Jun, 2009 6:33 pm |
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I don't mean the petriole. On some scions, I'm seeing a brown spot above the petriole where the bud would be. In some cases the sprouted bud appears to have been broken or cut off. I'm just wondering if I can still use these as scions and if new buds will still sprout from theses sites where it looks like something had already sprouted but for some reason didn't make it. |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Sun 07 Jun, 2009 1:00 am |
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They certainly would not be my choice, if I had any other choice, but there is a possibility that there is still a viable bud there. You can see branches on trees where 2 or 3 branches come from the same point, so it is not uncommon to have more than one bud at a node. _________________ Skeet
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Sun 07 Jun, 2009 9:02 am |
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It could be a fallen flower. Try it anyway. |
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pagnr Citrus Guru
Joined: 23 Aug 2008 Posts: 407 Location: Australia
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Posted: Mon 08 Jun, 2009 9:52 am |
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In regards to using eyeless buds on sticks as GRAFTING scions, you would expect a long wait for any growth to flush from the graft, if ever!
In my experience of chip budding eyeless buds, the buds took well, but didnt seem to repair themselves, even after a couple of years.
It is possible to get new shoots from callus areas, such as the top edge of healed cuts etc, so it is not 100% impossible to get some result in this case.
However, unless as others have said above, the scion is rare, or you have no other material, the time delay for growth is probably not worth the wait.
In fact your scion source will probably produce new better sticks next year, which could be successfully grafted and grown, long before the blank stick ever does anything.
Also any shot buds with blackened areas, could be the victim of fungal infection, which may be a risk of spores contaminating your other grafting. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Mon 08 Jun, 2009 11:32 am |
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Most buds can sprout multiple times. As pagnr said I would make sure it isn't a fungal disease. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Hilltop Citruholic
Joined: 16 May 2009 Posts: 217 Location: Signal Hill (near Long Beach / LA), CA
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Posted: Tue 09 Jun, 2009 2:03 am |
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Quote: | Most buds can sprout multiple times. |
Thanks Laaz. That's the answer I was looking for. Although I'll bear in mind that that may also not be the case here if it doesn't grow.
I grafted a Eureka lemon which has the questionable buds onto the lime portion of my cocktail tree . I used the cleft technique since the lime wasn't slipping particularly well. Let's see what happens. |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Tue 09 Jun, 2009 9:45 am |
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You will have a better chance with a cleft graft--more buds, plus, I don't know what the temp is there, but it is getting a bit hot here for T-budding. Bark grafting and cleft grafting work a little better in hot weather. _________________ Skeet
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buddinman Citrus Guru
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 343 Location: Lumberton Texas zone 8
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Posted: Tue 09 Jun, 2009 4:50 pm |
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The bottom 2 buds on a flush of growth will be blind buds and not make a plant. When cutting scions I alway disard the bottom 2 buds. |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Thu 11 Jun, 2009 2:58 pm |
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Although you have many more experts addressing this issue of the "scar", I do have a question. Could this scar have been where someone removed a thorn? Barbara |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Fri 26 Jun, 2009 2:27 am |
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Funny that I just found this thread. I just accidently knocked off one of my meyer lemon buds this evening and thought it might be gone forever. I have several others, but hate to loose even one. Sounds like there might be hope of a second bud coming back to life.
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gdbanks Citruholic
Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Posted: Fri 26 Jun, 2009 3:43 am |
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I do not know if this really adds to this conversation but I occasionally walk threw Wal-Mart and at one store garden center there are several citrus trees. Several of them have a knob very close/at the graft were evidence of previous suckers where trimmed. They had some growing at the time so I removed the rootstock sucker for them. This past week I was walking threw it again and the suckers had re-grown. I assume all of these are from the same bud. So there are many that have grown and re-grown. I removed them again.
Who ever eventually buys those are going to have to be very vigilant to prevent the rootstock from taking over. _________________ looking for cold hardy citrus
http://www.goodreads.com/user/show/6122668-glenn-banks-dds |
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