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Fukomoto Chimeras in California
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Wed 20 Jun, 2012 12:42 pm

Just heard, that there are a lot of Fukumoto chimeras in California.

Anyone know about it ?
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 1:41 pm

I dont know about CA,, but I grow allot of them in AZ.. between Fukumoto and Cara Cara its a toss up as a top seller.
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 1:45 pm

turtleman wrote:
I dont know about CA,, but I grow allot of them in AZ.. between Fukumoto and Cara Cara its a toss up as a top seller.


Variegated Fukumoto?

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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 1:50 pm

Nope


just some caras turn variegated..
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 1:51 pm

Hi Turtleman !

A chimera gets created when a bud from a budding zone grows and then both plants are in 1 plant together.

That makes variegated leaves and striped fruits, where one fruit lays partially (normally the skin) over the other ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(plant)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bizzaria
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 5:44 pm

The first sentence is true, the second is not.

On this forum we all know what is variegation because we already discussed about it.
For example four years ago:
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Read the topics and don't forget to follow the links. You'll learn much.

As I said: read, read and read. Smile
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 5:47 pm

read the wiki link ...

BTW is that a NOSE or a Buddha´s hand .. ?
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 6:59 pm

From the Riverside CVC website
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This early maturing navel orange selection reaches legal maturity three to four weeks before Washington navel and is one of the earliest to reach color-break. One of the most outstanding characteristics of this selection is the deep reddish rind color of the fruit. The fruit are harvested from mid-October to late December in California. Fukumoto trees tend to be smaller than other navel selections and appear to produce more chimeras than most navel orange selections. One additional major concern is reports in 2002 of decline of Fukumoto trees grown on C-35 and Carrizo citrange rootstocks (Marais and O'Connell 2002). Although in Japan, Fukumoto trees are commonly propagated on Trifoliate orange rootstocks, and in California they have been most commonly propagated on C-35 or Carrizo citrange rootstocks. Those trees propagated on Carrizo exhibit symptoms of foamy bark rot syndrome which includes lanky zigzag shoot growth, with development of abnormally large leaves and oozing of gum at the base of shoots and through splits in the bark at the crotches of branches. These symptoms have also been observed when Fukumoto is grown on Swingle citrumelo rootstock, but not when grown on sour orange or Volckameriana rootstocks. Fukumoto trees propagated on C-35 have symptoms that are more typical of a genetic rootstock/scion incompatibility.


So, this doesn't say that the Fukumoto variety is in any way an obvious botanical chimera, but that it tends to produce 'more chimeras' than other navels. I guess in this case 'chimera' probably refers to fruits with a different coloured stripe, which are not that uncommon. Apart from the sector of anomalous rind colour, these fruits are usually indistinguishable from a normal fruit.
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 7:02 pm

Thanx for that info Mike !

I like that Chimeras and wonder of someone propagate them by buddings/graftings ...
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Posted: Fri 22 Jun, 2012 7:22 pm

Hmm... I'll have to try this one out. I also like that it is early, my navels ripen around Christmas.

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Posted: Sat 23 Jun, 2012 7:42 am

Sanguinello, Indeed I read the wiki. And what?

Variegated limb are sports, not graft chimeras. That's why the second sentence is wrong.

It means that it comes from a mutation in one of the three layers of a bud. On a tree it is a sport but it can be the main bud on a seedling.

Graft chimeras are build from cells coming from two different plants.
To build a variegated chimera, one of the two cells might come from an albinos. What is not possible in natural conditions. In laboratories everything is possible indeed....
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Posted: Sat 23 Jun, 2012 8:35 am

Hahahahahahaha ...


To read and to get it is not the same ...

Maybe it would help, if you read about the Bizzaria ...


EN GARDE !

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Posted: Sat 23 Jun, 2012 9:56 am

Yes Bizarria is a graft chimera.
I grow it. Smile
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Posted: Sat 23 Jun, 2012 10:05 am

Then you should know, that the stripes at the fruit are called VARIEGATION ...
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Posted: Sun 24 Jun, 2012 4:38 am

Variegation is variegation - you have different colours- strips on fruit or leaf , mostly by lack of chlorophyll, but genetically is it the same plant. But chimera - when you speak about citrus fruits, means plant, where there is no true join of genes - it is more like two plants coexisting together in one body and genes are separated in each tissue. So when we speak about Bizzaria fruit, you can have half of the fruit true orange and half of the fruit true citron - no only strips on the fruit.
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