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Fukomoto Chimeras in California
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sun 24 Jun, 2012 4:54 am

OK, what about Citrus aurantium fasciata ?

The leafes are variegated ( white stripes ), the fruits are striped (variegated) and it is a Chimera ...
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Radoslav
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Posted: Sun 24 Jun, 2012 7:38 am

I think, the main problem is the usage of word "chimera". Someone use this word for nearly every mutant or hybrid, like in this article: http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/tisscult/chimeras/chimeralec/chimeras.html
But I think this usage of word chimera is not OK, for me - the true Chimera is plant, as I described above - like Bizzaria - where truly two different plants are presented in tissue and the plant acts realy like two plants in one. For example it can have lemons on the one branch and oranges on another on the very same plant.
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sun 24 Jun, 2012 8:00 am

I know the defenition.

When you see a fruit just striped, it MAY be no chimera.
Or at least you do not see that by first glance, but when you have a fruit and OVER the peel you see another peel, then it clearly is a chimera ...
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citrange
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Posted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 5:42 pm

Graft chimeras - like Bizzaria - are very rare.
But it is interesting to speculate that perhaps they may occur more often than people think!
It is not unusual to find shoots forming right at the graft union. Trouble is that most growers (and certainly all commercial growers) automatically remove these shoots. So few ever become fruiting branches that it is impossible to know what percentage may have been true graft chimeras.

Mike/Citrange
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sat 15 Sep, 2012 6:04 pm

Well, as I said ...

I heard there are a lot of Chimeras of Fukomoto in California, but nobody seams to know anthing about it ...

I like that chimeras and hoped to get one ...
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Roberto
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Posted: Sun 16 Sep, 2012 6:41 pm

Where did you get yours?
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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sun 16 Sep, 2012 6:53 pm

Die Flora in der Toskana ...
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hoosierquilt
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Posted: Tue 18 Sep, 2012 1:52 am

I'm finding this thread very interesting. First, because I'm a registered nurse and find the biology of chimeras very interesting, and secondly, I live in California and just acquired a Fukumoto navel orange (from Willits & Newcomb). I will keep an eye on the graft union to see if anything interesting sprouts from the union, and if so, let it continue to grow. And of course will watch for an variegate branches that might appear. I also have a Cara Cara, and so far, no variegated leaves, yet.

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Sanguinello
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Posted: Tue 18 Sep, 2012 3:03 am

Nice !

As you know I like variegateds and wonder why Cara cara regulary gets variegated branches ...

The more I learn about that, the more I see how little science knows about it ...
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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 1:10 pm

My variegated sport on a dwarf navel Ned gave me a couple years ago, not sure of the exact variety.




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hoosierquilt
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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 1:46 pm

Laaz! How do you do it?? My gosh. You are the undisputed KING of variegated citrus. Not just in collecting them, but in sporting them. I have both a Cara Cara and a Fukumoto in my yard, neither of which has sported any variegated limbs, although I look hard about once a month (my neighbors probably wonder why I'm peering so closely as my trees, lol!) Very lovely. I am jealous. The only variegated citrus I have is my little row of variegated Calamondins. And, Sanguinello, not sure why the navel oranges seem to have more of a propensity to sport. Maybe Dr. Manners, Millet or Laaz might know?? I know variegation can occur by more than one mechanism, but I am guessing that what causes variegation with the Cara Cara and the Fukumoto navels is probably the same mechanism.

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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 1:54 pm

Patty, you have a variegated Sanguinello? Photos? Shocked

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Sanguinello
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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 3:06 pm

Hahahaha ...

"And Sanguinello" belongs to me ... Wink

>Grab and Hide<

Laughing
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Laaz
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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 3:25 pm

If Patty has a variegated Sanguinello you have to change your name! Laughing

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Posted: Sun 18 Nov, 2012 3:28 pm

I think she talked to me .. Smile

That Variegation is nice, I think it is the spotted type which means Chimera to me ...
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