Citrus Growers Forum

Millet · Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 10:46 pm

Today in Colorado, marijuana became legal to purchase and use, the first state in the USA to so. On the evening news, they showed people lined up to buy their pot. The people shown in line looked much like the class of pot heads that would use it. The type that you hope will NEVER EVER meet your daughter. Even though marijuana is legal, the new law states any Colorado business can fire any employee that tests positive - this should seperate the weed (pun intended) from the wheat in the unemployed looking for work. - Millet

mrtexas · Posted: Wed 01 Jan, 2014 11:00 pm

Well I think legalizing it is the lesser of two evils. I don't like the result of either. I wish the whole issue would go away myself as I certainly have no interest in being intoxicated by alcohol or marijuana or anything else.

Keeping it illegal fills the prisons and funds organized crime. Legalize it and the potheads buy it at a store and pay a tax instead of from organized crime.
People with a job won't be smoking it as employers will still do drug tests. That just leaves the riff-raff like you said as the only customers.

On the other hand they have figured out how to intensify the experience. They soak the stuff in alcohol to extract the active ingredient and then smoke the high octane stuff and get intoxicated immediately.

Tom · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:36 am

I see a judge in Florida has upheld a lower court that said it is illegal to require a drug test for welfare applicants. The court said it was an illegal issue of search and seizure. I don't understand. It doesn't make sense. How can anybody justify putting druggies on our welfare rolls. We are in a downward spiral. With more people getting on welfare and less incentive to be drug free and work, how can we survive ? It's a no brainer to me. Tom

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Hershell · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 12:49 pm

Try doing construction and hiring employed that are drug free, can pass a background check required by the state school systems that you are working for willing to be tobaccow free while on the campus and willing to travel several hundred miles to do the job and work 10 to 12 hours a day to get finished so you can have some family time before leaving for the next job. Transportation is provided and all expenses paid and all over 40 is overtime. It is almost impossible to keep a crew. Especially if you expect them to be on time, and sober.

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swimmingfree · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 1:26 pm

well you guys in Colorado are going to get a lot of pot head stopping in your state foe a good buzz .... as a person how was a pot head 20 some year back do i think its a bad deal that Colorado is the frist state to go that way... no...
you well have a lot of people coming your state and spending money its like las Vegas .... i live in Michigan and we have the medical marijuana thing going on here and i cood get a card and smoke... by why ??? the pot thay are selling goes for 15 a gram here and 28 grams to a Ounce... i dont no if its tax but ill bet it is big time ... your state was the frist but will not be the last and drug test for pot will stop as well .. i wood rather work next to a guy that smoke a joint last night the a guy how drank a 6 pack last night... but thats me ...i wish michagon was the first state to do so we need the job that will come from it as well as the tax money...
sorry if i up set inn of you...
swimmingfree

Radoslav · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:16 pm

I am curious about 2 things.
First one is well known fact, that for some percentage of smokers, it is the first step to the "harder" drugs.
And second - less known fact, which I learned while studying literature about alcaloids and another poisonous substances in plants - it was my hobby during socialist era, that THC has strong side effects very similiar to anabolic steroids side effects. For example, that THC degenerates DNA?

swimmingfree · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:21 pm

THC degenerates DNA?
what about tobacco or booz ??? cancer is dna gone crazy ...
swimmingfree

Tom · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:35 pm

Anybody can have a few typos and use shorten forms of words to speed up writing but one of these emails has me laughing out loud. At first I thought it was on purpose but after reading it a second time I think it was sincere.
Wow ! I may be a red neck but .......no offense, it was humorous IF that's what you were trying for.

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swimmingfree · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 2:40 pm

i just cant see spending 30,00 a year to keep a guy in prison over a hand full of pot... when we cood tax and make a fue grand off him...
swimmingfree

Hershell · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:20 pm

Thanks Tom. What about driving under the influence. We have enough trouble enforcing the laws now without pot being sold legal. I don't want my family on the highway with other driver's that are under the influence of anything.

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cristofre · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:33 pm

Radoslav wrote:

I am curious about 2 things.
First one is well known fact, that for some percentage of smokers, it is the first step to the "harder" drugs.
And second - less known fact, which I learned while studying literature about alcaloids and another poisonous substances in plants - it was my hobby during socialist era, that THC has strong side effects very similiar to anabolic steroids side effects. For example, that THC degenerates DNA?

Use of cannabis does not lead people to other drugs, no more than smoking cigarettes makes people want heroin, or drinking coffee makes people want to drink alcohol.

The human body has what is called the endocannobinoid system. This is a system of receptors throughout the nervous system. These receptors bind to cannabanoids (also produced by the body) to regulate various functions of the human body. It's essential for the proper function of the human body.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1361971-overview

Simply- its pretty unlikely that the human body would require something to function that would destroy its own DNA.

cristofre · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 3:44 pm

Tom wrote:

I see a judge in Florida has upheld a lower court that said it is illegal to require a drug test for welfare applicants. The court said it was an illegal issue of search and seizure. I don't understand. It doesn't make sense. How can anybody justify putting druggies on our welfare rolls. We are in a downward spiral. With more people getting on welfare and less incentive to be drug free and work, how can we survive ? It's a no brainer to me. Tom

Per the 4th amendment of the USA constitution, searching someone, (despite no evidence of crime), is illegal search / seizure. It's simply Un-American.

It's easy to give up someone else's rights, but what about when they come for ours?

Not to mention places that have instigated drug testing rules like this have found little evidence of widespread Welfare recipient drug use.
So not only would it be unconstitutional, but also a colossal waste of tax payer money.

Radoslav · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 4:23 pm

cristofre wrote:

Radoslav wrote:

I am curious about 2 things.
First one is well known fact, that for some percentage of smokers, it is the first step to the "harder" drugs.
And second - less known fact, which I learned while studying literature about alcaloids and another poisonous substances in plants - it was my hobby during socialist era, that THC has strong side effects very similiar to anabolic steroids side effects. For example, that THC degenerates DNA?

Use of cannabis does not lead people to other drugs, no more than smoking cigarettes makes people want heroin, or drinking coffee makes people want to drink alcohol.

The human body has what is called the endocannobinoid system. This is a system of receptors throughout the nervous system. These receptors bind to cannabanoids (also produced by the body) to regulate various functions of the human body. It's essential for the proper function of the human body.
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/1361971-overview

Simply- its pretty unlikely that the human body would require something to function that would destroy its own DNA.

All my points are scientifically supported by many analysis. I speak about regular smokers !
And I do know many weed smokers and I do know how it developes, especially, when we speak about teenegers. And yes, THC degenerates DNA, it is mutagen . We can speak about all side effects like increasing of libido at the beggining and impotence in the end and many other efects.
And the simple fact, that someone (teeneger) is looking for it, means that there is something unstabile in his person, because someone is looking for fake emotions, for example to be happy, while there is no real reason except chemical reaction in the brain?

cristofre · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 5:18 pm

Radoslav wrote:

All my points are scientifically supported by many analysis. I speak about regular smokers !
And yes, THC degenerates DNA, it is mutagen .

And the simple fact, that someone (teeneger) is looking for it, means that there is something unstabile in his person, because someone is looking for fake emotions, for example to be happy, while there is no real reason except chemical reaction in the brain?

Cannabis as "gateway drug" : http://healthland.time.com/2010/10/29/marijuna-as-a-gateway-drug-the-myth-that-will-not-die/

THC is Mutagen?: http://www.cannabis-med.org/english/faq/05-chromosomal_dam.htm

Regardless, getting back to the subject, we are not talking about use by teenagers, we are talking about the legalization for adults.

Referring to MEDICAL cannabis: Considering that there are numerous man-made dangerous drugs that could be replaced with very safe cannabis- the concept of "reduction of harm" shows that given the choice- cannabis is the better choice.

Example: People can DIE from overdose of common aspirin, if someone can get superior pain relief from cannabis or extracts, with NO chance of overdose- which one REDUCES chance of harm to the person?

Dependence on a substance (such as cannabis) is STILL a harm, but compared to the harms of the things it can replace, the harm of cannabis is tiny.

Tom · Posted: Thu 02 Jan, 2014 6:44 pm

cristofe, you make an excellent argument and defend it very well. However, the defense that something is not as bad so it should be ok doesn't really wash. The word dope doesn't sound like it would actually make someone more productive or successful. I'm all for individual rights and I would love to win the lottery. Again however, the toll of lottery tickets sold to people that should be paying their electricity bill instead of buying lottery tickets is undeniable and impossible to calculate. Everybody loves the chance to hit it big one time but the tale of most winners is tragic.

There is no way to calculate the damage that alcohol, drugs and gambling has done to the American family and society as a whole. I still think we are in a death spiral and I don't believe there is any way to pull out of it.

I'm not talking about responsible adults but I am talking about an enormous number of people.

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