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Steve in Los Osos · Joined: 04 Mar 2012 Posts: 13 Location: Los Osos, CA

In addition to the Minne Royal and Royal Lee (Zaiger)--which I have and which bloomed and set beautifully this year in so-called zone 10a--there is also a self-fertile Spanish heirloom cherry with a 200 hr chill requirement. It's a softer sort of fruit, I'm told, and perhaps a little smaller than some of the monsters you get in the supermarket. I ordered one this year.

Probably too late for any more this year, but here's the link anyway:

http://www.arboreum.biz/t/categories/cherries/p/cristobalina

The only downside is the rootstock they are using. I immediately grafted a piece of stock onto Krymsk 5.

Laaz · Posted: Sat 24 Mar, 2012 10:18 pm

Damn it, I'm going to have to get one of you Cali guys to get these for me. Laughing

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Chris · Posted: Sun 25 Mar, 2012 2:10 pm

You can always order bare root trees online-

http://www.davewilson.com/br40/retailers/bymail.html

turtleman · Posted: Mon 26 Mar, 2012 9:00 pm

I can get you all you want Lazz

Laaz · Posted: Mon 26 Mar, 2012 10:14 pm

Turtleman you have the true dwarfs ?

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turtleman · Posted: Wed 28 Mar, 2012 5:55 pm

Both types are genetic dwarfs, all patented from Zaiger... DWN is the sole propagator of them,, I don't/can't grow them for orders but I can/do order them from DWN,,(for people) I also order them on Zaigers new root stock as Mazzard and Colt will not preform in the soils of AZ.. This last year I saw a increase of demand for them....
Personally I think people are nuts for trying to grow them in a area that has monsoons because there going to see allot of cherries split... and I tell people that,, but everyone wants to try it anyway.. Just remember,, NON of these have been submitted to any NC140 or any other trials.. so your on your own as to how they preform at your location.

Darkman · Posted: Wed 28 Mar, 2012 11:22 pm

turtleman wrote:

Personally I think people are nuts for trying to grow them in a area that has monsoons because there going to see allot of cherries split...

Turtleman, Laaz and others,

We and others here and on other forums have had some discussions about fruit splitting with some thinking that lack of steady even watering is more the cause of splitting after heavy rains than just the heavy rains.

Do you think that a plant given adequat even regular watering can resist splitting to some degree?

turtleman wrote:

...so your on your own as to how they preform at your location.

I know that feeling all to well Shocked

(my wallet knows it too) and a lot of the time it gets worse however every now and then you find a gem so I guess it is worth the risk. Smile

Having said that I plan to try some form of cherries. Actually I'd like to try a multigrafted one as I have serious space issues. Turtleman is that something that you could do on a special order or is there someone you would recommend? I wouldn't mind doing it myself if I could get the right budwood.

Also is there any reason I should not use the M111 rootstock?

Does anyone have a source of M111 rootstock?

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Millet · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 1:11 am

All Laaz has to do is move to Colorado where he can grow most any variety of cherries he desires. We have PLENTY of chill hours and then some to spare. - Millet (298 BO-)

mrtexas · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 1:55 am

They do grow in southern california. When I lived there I went to Beaumont, CA and picked some. Elevation there is 2,500-3,000 feet.

California is a very unique place. If they do good there it means nothing anywhere else.

buddinman · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 10:38 am

I have a friend about 10 miles North of Lumberton TX. He ordered 30 of the low chill cherries 3 years ago. there are 3 left and do not look healthy.

Ned · Posted: Thu 29 Mar, 2012 7:29 pm

Lazz,

I have a Cherry of the Rio Grande, (which is a cherry in name only). It came to me from a friend in LA, and has survived the last 3 winters outside, unprotected, in a container. It is blooming for the first time this year. If the tree is self pollinating I may get some fruit later in the year.

Ned

turtleman · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 4:07 am

Quote:

Turtleman, Laaz and others,

We and others here and on other forums have had some discussions about fruit splitting with some thinking that lack of steady even watering is more the cause of splitting after heavy rains than just the heavy rains.

Do you think that a plant given adequat even regular watering can resist splitting to some degree?

It wasn't the watering that I was referring to (but maybe it was),, all the cherry orchards I use to manage in WA had one primary issue to deal with,, "keeping the fruit it's self dry",, hard thing to do sometimes,, what happens is that rain/irrigation any water sits on the cherry where the stem goes into the fruit and creates a puddle, as soon as the sun hits the puddle your cherry will split, the sun creates a reflection and splits the wet/moist fruit,, I've seen whole orchards loose crops from it,, all the cherries go to process instead of the fresh market.

In all my life I've never seen a cherry on a apple understock, I don't think 111 will be very suited, most common stocks are Colt and Mazzard, some have added Krymsk also but it suckers to much for commercial use,, Zaigers has it's own understock but there's no trials being conducted on it..

Darkman · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 11:15 am

turtleman wrote:

It wasn't the watering that I was referring to (but maybe it was),, all the cherry orchards I use to manage in WA had one primary issue to deal with,, "keeping the fruit it's self dry",, hard thing to do sometimes,, what happens is that rain/irrigation any water sits on the cherry where the stem goes into the fruit and creates a puddle, as soon as the sun hits the puddle your cherry will split, the sun creates a reflection and splits the wet/moist fruit,,..

Yes I can see where that would be an issue here. I could control overhead watering but not rain. With that said over the last few years we seem to be having Summer droughts. I wouldn't say we have developed a new weather pattern but the climate coud be moving that direction.

turtleman wrote:

In all my life I've never seen a cherry on a apple understock, I don't think 111 will be very suited, most common stocks are Colt and Mazzard, some have added Krymsk also but it suckers to much for commercial use,, Zaigers has it's own understock but there's no trials being conducted on it..

I have been researching so many different items that I can't remember why the M111 is good here in the Southeast. I do know that it is highly regarded here now. It had something to do with it's resistance to something that attacks the root stock stem?

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mrtexas · Posted: Fri 30 Mar, 2012 9:34 pm

Ned wrote:

Lazz,

I have a Cherry of the Rio Grande, (which is a cherry in name only). It came to me from a friend in LA, and has survived the last 3 winters outside, unprotected, in a container. It is blooming for the first time this year. If the tree is self pollinating I may get some fruit later in the year.

Ned

The fruit or CORG looks like a grocery store cherry and has a pit like one but the taste is much inferior. I had a large tree but cut it down due to low productivity and the birds stealing all the fruit. I recently let the root sprouts grow as I could sell every seedling I grew as no-one else in my area was propagating it. I ordered some expensive seeds from Puerto Rico but only 5% of them sprouted. The trees are hardy having survived at least 10 years here in SE Texas.

Ned · Posted: Sat 31 Mar, 2012 12:10 am

Thanks Mr. Texas.