Citrus Growers Forum

mrtexas · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 12:18 pm

Hershell wrote:

I guess this is proof that we indeed have global warming. Correct? If it wasn't for global warming we would have all of the states covered by ice as we would be still living in the Ice Age. So I guess we have had global warming for a very long time so I am no longer a skeptic about global warming I am convinced, I just cant understand why we are having colder winters now that I have so many citrus trees growing outside now.

The dispute is about whether global warming is MAN MADE or not. The earth goes thru natural cycles of global warming and global cooling. Heard of the "little Ice Age" during the middle ages?

MarcV · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 12:55 pm

mrtexas wrote:

The dispute is about whether global warming is MAN MADE or not. The earth goes thru natural cycles of global warming and global cooling. Heard of the "little Ice Age" during the middle ages?

Fact is that in the last 30 years or so, the speed at which global warming is happening clearly has increased. I think it is acceptable to assume that 7.000.000.000 people (give or take one) can have an influence on the climate with what we are doing on this earth.

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Millet · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 1:57 pm

......." 7.000.000.000 people can have an influence.....

Don't think so.

Just one more cycle, of the MANY MANY MANY MANY previous cycles of global warming since the world's beginning. It was only 14 years ago when "science" was telling us global cooling. Anyway, very glad that it is happening, I would love to grow palm trees in my yard. - Millet (361-)

Laaz · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 2:28 pm

Many factors come into play, the earth's continental plates are always moving. You have to remember that long ago there were palms growing in Alaska.

http://www2.gi.alaska.edu/ScienceForum/ASF1/188.html

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Millet · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 6:56 pm

Laaz, that brings to my mind. Last year while doing some construction on Interstate 70 here in cold Colorado, they unearthed fossils of palm trees that once grew here. I wonder if the dinosaurs of the time were as worried about everything going to heck due to global warming? - (God Bless Jan Brewer)

pagnr · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 7:34 pm

There is no dispute about Global Warming/Climate Change, the dispute is about if action should be taken, and more so if governments should enact laws and regulations to enforce changes. The debate is coming from those who oppose Govt regulation.
The close similarity of the global warming arguements to the tobacco/smoking debate of many years ago, where "experts" from other non medical science areas gave smoking the ok seems repeated here. The same arguements are back
Some groups simply oppose govt regulation, and of course vested interests are against restructuring the economy if they look like they will be worse off.

jrb · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 9:13 pm

ivica wrote:

And a year later it's here:

Thank you for posting this ivica.

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Darkman · Posted: Thu 26 Jan, 2012 10:00 pm

Darkman wrote:

....All I want to be is 9b and I'd be happy......

I am still a 9a. At least I didn't get colder. The winter here has been very mild with only two or three days that barely went below 32 and nothing below 30. Everything I could want with newly planted citrus trees. Now I can look forward to a long growing season to get my trunks to bulk up.

OK I'm happy with a 9a. Very Happy

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mrtexas · Posted: Fri 27 Jan, 2012 12:55 am

pagnr wrote:

There is no dispute about Global Warming/Climate Change, the dispute is about if action should be taken, and more so if governments should enact laws and regulations to enforce changes. The debate is coming from those who oppose Govt regulation.
The close similarity of the global warming arguements to the tobacco/smoking debate of many years ago, where "experts" from other non medical science areas gave smoking the ok seems repeated here. The same arguements are back
Some groups simply oppose govt regulation, and of course vested interests are against restructuring the economy if they look like they will be worse off.

You are wrong about the dispute. I repeat, the dispute is man caused or not.

Doesn't matter to me however. The is no way in lleh that China and India are going to cut back on burning fossil fuels.

The control happy Progressives the world over would have the developed world ruin their economies for the fantasy of green energy. Won't happen, not in the USA.

Millet · Posted: Fri 27 Jan, 2012 1:12 am

Many of the pro-man made global warming "experts" are those who are receiving grant money for their studies. For example: The University of Colorado received a $680,000.00 grand to study the effects of global warming on prairie dogs of all things!!! Also we all remember the grants received for the "studies" by the University of East Anglia in England. Personally, I will take all the global warming I can get, because in the future (beyond my lifetime) there will of course be another global cooling cycle down the road, followed by another global warming cycle, and so on, and so on, and so on............................. Millet (360 ABO-). .

Millet · Posted: Fri 27 Jan, 2012 1:17 am

I fail to see any similarity between global warming and tobacco/smoking .. Millet (360 AB0-)

Darkman · Posted: Fri 27 Jan, 2012 2:57 am

Millet wrote:

Personally, I will take all the global warming I can get, because in the future (beyond my lifetime) there will of course be another global cooling cycle down the road, followed by another global warming cycle, and so on, and so on, and so on............................. Millet (360 ABO-). .

So sayeth the prophet! Amen!!!

Bottom line there will never be enough cooperation on this planet in my or my childrens lifetime to stop, slow down or reverse anything. The earth is finite. At some point humanity will cease to exist. Get on, hang on and ride. Personally I could do with a ten degree adjustment. I think most of the plants that I want to grow will be just fine there. Greed will always win out and that unfortunately leads to raping and pillaging not being responsible and thoughtful.

We will learn and adjust for several millennia before the end. I can only imagine the real technology that will come from this.

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ivica · Posted: Fri 27 Jan, 2012 4:38 am

jrb wrote:

ivica wrote:

And a year later it's here:

Thank you for posting this ivica.

Hi, jrb. Passionate discussion of our forum friends could hijack Shame on you

the subject so I repeat:

Quote:

And a year later it's here:
"The 2012 USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map"
http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/

What's new:
New Data, New Zones, Finer Scale
"Zones in this edition of the USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Map (PHZM) are based on 19762005 weather data."
http://planthardiness.ars.usda.gov/PHZMWeb/AboutWhatsNew.aspx

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