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bencelest
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 1:22 pm

What I mean is is it OK to remove the flowers before they bloom or wait until they become fruit. Then how big are they before picking them off.
I am debating whether it is good for the plant removing the unbloom flowers so the plant can divert its energy to make new leaves or maybe the plant will redouble its effort to make more flowers instead.
If I let it bloom and for extra gain smell the flowers fragrance then should I wait till the fruits are marbled size before snipping them?
I don't think this has been discuss this anywhere before.
Or maybe these clustered flowers will turn into a stem with leaves once the flowers bloomed and die.
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Laaz
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 2:31 pm

Hi Benny. I wait until the small fruits have developed. It seems if you remove the flowers when they first appear, the tree will set more flower buds as soon as you remove them. I have quite a few trees that have done this. If I wait until the fuits have developed I don't get nearly as many new blooms. On the other hand, citrus that flower throughout the year (Lemons & Limes) I don't think it will make a difference unless you are constantly removing flower buds...
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 2:47 pm

Thank you so much Laaz for a quick reply.
Your answer is what I am hoping for.
And that is what I want to do. I would like to smell the flowers and also see the full bloom before I do anything.
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JoeReal
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 3:52 pm

I think for citrus, it behaves like that, but it depends on cultivars too. Pummelos for example, if you snip off the flower buds, they don't back until some time later. The rest seems to behave like that. However, if you are pinching off the terminal stems where the citrus flowers are, those flowers won't come back. I do this from time to time to make a branch stronger.

For pomes and stones, if you snip them off, they won't return nor produce more flowers on other branches.
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 5:02 pm

Thanks Joe for clarrifying more on specific species. I am learning the fine points very well.
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bencelest
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 6:39 pm

Another question:
Regarding T-budding. Can you use a bud that has leaf and flowers combine for T-budding purposes. It is too young to tell but can you?
I know that the best one to use are buds that are just swelling but sometimes if you are late and the bud has already open, can you still use it?
I did use it and appeared to be growing or taking but it may die because there are no roots to cling to or it maybe just lots of growth but no sustenance of nutrients so it may die from starvation. My own thought.
Please your thought.
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 6:48 pm

I am quite successful with it last fall using the var. pink lemon, and have taken, it has sprouted this spring, and it sprouted only flowers. I will try to remember taking the pic and posting it here. After taking the pic, I will remove the flowers on one to see if it will sprout a branch instead.
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bencelest
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 7:06 pm

That's quiete interesting. I guess if you plant a melon you'll get a melon; ergo, if you plant a flower you'll get a flower.
But please make a follow up after you clip the flowers, then what?
Boy, I am not going to breath until you tell me. That's how excited I am.
Also I guess I am following your footsteps. You are ahead of me on this one.
Thanks Joe for responding asap.
I have a few T-budding like this and appears to be taking and growing. When I am sure that they took and appear to be sustaining then I'll remove the flowers and see what happen.
Also I think WE will have many success with our T-budding this time. Don't you agree?
I can't wait till that Sarawak , Tahiti and Hurado Pomello flower and fruit.
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Posted: Mon 27 Mar, 2006 7:33 pm

That will be awhile Benny for the wait, but it is getting warmer so it will be soon but not too soon.

Yes we are in our yard, free to do various experimentations that growers commercial wouldn't care about. We can prove or disprove "myths" on our own, exciting to see for ourselves.

That's why we love gardening and do various "surgeries" on our trees. Too bad or fortunately, humans can't be the same way for now.
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 3:42 pm

Recently matured leaves (which are called sources) supply the developing fruit (which are called sinks) with carbohydrates during the first growing season. During the second season, these now fully mature leaves will supply the photosynthates (the tree's food/energy source) that they manufacture to the BLOOMS. This is why clusters of blooms with leaves have a much better fruit set and less abscission than bloom clusters that lack leaves. Once the newer leaves have expanded and then can supply the developing fruit as it matures, the second year leaves, which are the MAJORITY of the tree's foliage, then begain to supply mostly the roots. So, as you can see, it is not only the fruit that uses the photosynthates produced by the tree, the BLOOMS also take a lot of the food that is produced by the older mature leaves. I have a young Marisol Clementing tree growing in the ground inside my greenhouse. I planted the tree on December 27, 2005 in a raised bed that has the soil artificially heated to a constant 78F. I am growing this tree, for the first year, so that ALL THE ENERGY that the leaves can produce, goes only to vegetative/root growth. I removed all the blooms (every single one) as they developed, so the the mature leaves would send the photosynthates that they produce into root development, and not into bloom and early fruitlet development. Root development, will in turn greatly benefit additional foliage. I can tell you, at least for my Marisol Clementine, NOT ONE new additional bloom was ever generated after I removed all the flowers. The tree began its first flush of leaves (leafy inflorescences) on January 17th. A second flush of foliage (which will be vegetative) started on March 22nd. I'm hopeful for 5 or 6 flushes this first year. So you see, both the fruit, and the bloom, takes a high demand on the photosynthates that are produced by the tree. Removal of both fruit AND BLOOMS is the method that produces the greatest development of new growth. Benny, sorry to tell you removing the blooms also has least amount of pleasing fragrance. Take care my friend. - Millet
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 4:00 pm

Yes, Sir, Captain, I'll do as you say. Sir!
Benny
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 4:01 pm

No kidding, Millet, that is an awesome knowledge I learned. I am copying that for my files.
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 4:50 pm

Benny, from the sounds of it, you have been in Uncle Sam's Navy too long. I was never a "Sir,".... just a lowly AK3. (Aviation Store Keeper) - Millet
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 7:34 pm

Your rank is a captain in my book for all the things you taught me about citrus.
I will forever be grateful to you.
Regards,
Benny
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Laaz
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Posted: Tue 28 Mar, 2006 10:08 pm

Hi Millet. The first year I had a Satsuma I pulled the flowers and a month later it blommed again... Satsumas are supposed to flower & fruit once a year, although Benny has stated in the past that his blooms various times of the year. This would be a good experiment to do on different varieties.
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