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gotro17 Citruholic
Joined: 21 Jun 2011 Posts: 89 Location: Newbury Park, CA- ZONE 8b/9a
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 3:51 am |
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Thank you all for your posts and thorough advice. I am now pretty convinced that, while it is a nitrogen deficiency, alot may have to do with our extremely cool/cold summer. Even watering only once a week may have been too much. I fertilized today with a 12% N and an iron sulfate supplement for good measure. The temps are heading up to mid 80s (where we are) so things should improve across the board. I'll keep you posted! Thanks again~ |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 5:10 am |
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Millet wrote: | As igor.fogarasi wrote above, iron deficiency shows green veins, on otherwise yellow leaves. Nitrogen deficiency shows yellow-orange veins on otherwise yellow leaves. Further, when a tree is iron deficient, the affect leaves are the tree's new leaves . When a tree is nitrogen deficient, the affect leaves are the old leaves. - Millet (549-) |
This was a new shoot from the tree , next to him is the other branch and it is normal in color.
I use iron chelate on every fertilizing time and epsom salts and also some Jack Peter- 23-6-10 with trace elements so I should not have this kind of behaviour on new leaves |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 4:26 pm |
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Nobody? |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5679 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 4:32 pm |
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New shoots always come out lighter in color than the old growth. They can also show a deficiency like yours, but will turn dark green once they harden off.
Why are you fertilizing every watering ? You are going to have a salt build up doing that to container citrus. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 4:34 pm |
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No , Laaz , WHEN I fertilize , and that is every 10-15 days I add the fertilzer and not in every day watering.
Maybe the CHC doesn't keep the fertilizer and on the next watering is washed away? |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 4:36 pm |
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At the begining the leaves were completely yellow , and now are looking like this. This is maybe too much or too little of something !
What is weird is that the other twig from the tree is more greenish at coloring |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 17 Jul, 2011 11:02 pm |
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Could be genetic. - Millet (548-) |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 5:28 am |
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What about CHC retention?
Does he acts like a mineral garden soil or should be fertilized more often ?
Does the water hardiness affects the quality of CHC medium ?
I always water , since they are outside , until the water goes out , maybe this is wrong , meaning that in this way I wash the medium and fertilizer in it? |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 5:48 am |
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Meyermike on the other forum told this:
"When individual nutrients are available in excess, it not only unnecessarily contributes to the total volume of solutes in the soil solution, which makes it more difficult for the plant to absorb water and nutrients, it can also create an antagonistic deficiency of other nutrients as toxicity levels block a plant's ability to take them up. E.g., too much Fe (iron) can cause a Mn (manganese) deficiency, with the converse also true, Too much Ca (calcium) can cause a Mg (magnesium) deficiency. Too much P (phosphorous) can cause an insoluble precipitate with Fe and make Fe unavailable. It also interferes with the uptake of several other micro-nutrients. You can see why it is advantageous to supply nutrients in as close to the same ratio in which plants use them and at levels not so high that they interfere with water uptake"
Very interesting |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 12:01 pm |
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Water hardness can affect any, and every type of medium. Watering a container tree until approximately 10 percent of the water being poured into the top of the container drains out the bottom is the correct method of watering a container, no matter what type of growth medium is used. Doing so flushes out soluble salts, thereby prevents soluble salts from building up to toxic levels. What Meyer Mike wrote is very common knowledge, long known by growers. Because citrus absorb nutrients in a 5-1-3 ratio, it is best to fertilize container citrus trees with a fertilizer as close to a 5-1-3 ratio as possible. This keeps the fertilizer nutrients in balance with the tree's proper ratio. - Millet (547-) |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Mon 18 Jul, 2011 6:00 pm |
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Ok I got it , so by flushing the soil with 10% extra won't wash away the fertilizer but only the build up salts! |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul, 2011 12:49 am |
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Nitrogen and potassium are very water soluble chemicals. They redly dissolve in water and become totally soluble. Therefore, some will flush out with the 10 percent that drains out the bottom. However, it would take repeated watering, in between each application of fertilizer, to totally flush out all of the two nutrients. Really it is not a problem, unless one rarely every applies fertilizer to the container. Note: much, but not all, of what is called soluble salts, and frequently builds up in containers to toxic levels, is fertilizer. - Millet (547-) |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Tue 19 Jul, 2011 3:10 pm |
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Yes , indeed , on those that I left outside and watered on time with plenty of water there is no salts build-up around the pot, so I must conclude that on my problem is a lack of nutrients and not an overdose.
thank's Millet |
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