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Oh My Darling Clementine!
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 4:07 am |
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I encourage everyone to share their notes about the cultivar descriptions from their own experiences from their yard.
Here's the description of the Clementines that I have or once have:
Algerian Clementine (Algerian Tangerine)
Obtained from CostCo.
From North Africa. Ripens about a month after Satsuma, good flavor. This early-season variety, from the mediterranean region, is also known as Algerian Tangerine. Small-medium size fruit is deep orange-red in color and easy to peel. Juicy fruit has rich, sweet flavor and few seeds. Fruits ripens November to April and holds well on the tree. Attractive medium size tree with dense foliage. A group name, embracing many varieties; parentage mostly mandarin with some sweet orange; may have originated in North Africa in late 19th century. Algerian variety introduced to California 1914. Medium-small to medium; rind deep orange to red-orange, smooth, glossy, peels easily; flesh tender, flavor mild to rich, depending on variety and maturity, Algerian seedy; new varieties mostly seedless when not cross-pollinated; early to early midseason. Most important mandarin in the Mediterranean; imports from Spain to the U.S. surged in recent years. Mandarin is a group name for a class of oranges with thin, loose peel, which have been dubbed "kid-glove" oranges. These are treated as members of a distinct species, Citrus reticulata Blanco. The name "tangerine" could be applied as an alternate name to the whole group, but, in the trade, is usually confined to the types with red-orange skin. In the Philippines all mandarin oranges are called naranjita. Spanish-speaking people in the American tropics call them mandarina. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 4:08 am |
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Clementine Monreal
Form UCR CCPP, Grafted to Satsuma
This variety is a sport of Fina. It was discovered by Vincent Monreal in 1940 in Perregaux Oranie, Algeria. Probably is a chance Mandarin hybrid has had origin from an uncovered clone of Fina Clementine. Clementine Monreal have unique peculiar, sweet and sprightly flavor loved by consumers. Fruits are of spherical and somewhat flattened shape at the poles. The fruit has a strong orange color when matured to fullness. The seedless in isolation but seedy in the presence of pollinators. Very sweet even in coastal and cool climates. So sweetly juicy that you'll be wiping your hands on your pants. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 4:09 am |
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Clementine Nour
UCR, CCPP budwood
Grafted to W.Navel, Satsuma, Algerian
This variety of Citrus tree is an important Moroccan clementine. The fruit is of good colour, better than the Hernandina Clementine, but the rind texture is coarser. The flesh is tender, juicy and of very good flavour. Harvest is mid to late January. The fruit will stay on the tree in good condition until March. Nour is a much more vigorous variety than Nules. Nules and Marisol require more pruning than Nova. Very sweet even in coastal and cool climates. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 4:11 am |
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Clementine Nules, Clemenules, Nules, Nulesina, Reina clementine and Victoria clementine or Clementina De Nules
From TreeSource Citrus Nursery
Grafted to Algerian and also planted on its own hole.
It originated as a spontaneous mutation of Fina clementine, detected in 1953 in Nules (Castellón de la Plana). This tree is vigorous and the fruit obtain good size. This variety is seedless it harvest mid to late. This variety of clementine is considered to be one of the best clementines for sweetness and flavour. It has an excellent quality of fruit, the tree is long lived and productive. Clementines are generally more densely foliated than some other varieties, with long pointed leaves. The tree is vigorous but is ideal for those with limited space as it can be maintained as a small bush but still bear many fruit. The seedless and juicy fruits can be harvested after November. It is the most widely planted variety of mandarins in Chile. Overall Nules is the best variety of clementines grown in Chile, although it has problems. In some years trees tends to have a very uneven bloom, the fruit looses acidity relatively quickly after full maturity and fruit is prone to puffiness. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 4:12 am |
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Clementine Oroval
From UCR CCPP
Grafted to W.Navel, Satsuma, Algerian
Oroval originated as a spontaneous mutation of Fina clementine detected in 1950 in Quart de les Valls (Valencia). The tree is vigorous, shows a good development, and presents a certain thorniness that disappears with the time. The fruit is of good size and the pulp tender and melting, with a high juice content, slightly acidulous. It is seedless. This is a precocious variety that can be harvested a few days before than Fina clementine. The fruit can hardly hold on the tree in good commercial conditions, since they rapidly loss density and show a marked tendency to puffing. It is productive. It should be cultivated in precocious zones, that stimulate the sugars accumulation in the fruit, with the aim to advance harvesting and increase quality. Very sweet even in coastal and cool climates. |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 12:09 pm |
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Thanks Joe- I did not know that there were so many clementines-- the one I have been getting is the Nules and I think that that was the same variety on the ones from Morroco, but the ones from Spain were much sweeter and more flavorful. _________________ Skeet
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snickles Citrus Guru
Joined: 15 Dec 2005 Posts: 170 Location: San Joaquin Valley, Ca
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Posted: Thu 26 Apr, 2007 1:10 pm |
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Below is a list of Clementines that were at the
Lindcove Citrus tasting December 16, 2006.
All have the Lindcove Field Station spellings
followed by the variety number.
Clementine Mandarin Vl# 9
Caffin Clementine Vl# 491
Clementine Fina Sodea Vl# 498
Clementine Sidi Aissa Vl# 508
Clementine Oroval Vl# 517
Clementine Fina Vl# 518
Clementine X Pearl Vl# 546
Clementine Corsica 1 Vl# 604
Clementine Corsica 2 Vl# 613
Clementine SRA 63 Vl# 614
Clementine SRA 92 Vl# 624
Clementine Carte Noir Vl# 627
Clementine De Nules Vl# 630
Clementine Nour Vl# 632
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citrusnut Citruholic
Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 58 Location: wisconsin zone 5
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Posted: Sat 08 Mar, 2008 2:46 am |
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I love reading your posts. They are always so informative. |
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Steve Citruholic
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: Southern Germany
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Posted: Sat 15 Mar, 2008 7:16 am |
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That's not much
Browse the Citrus Varieties and Research Station at San Guilano / Corsica.
There a listet 70 trees in collection, and still there is research and justification on new selections.
Corsica is considered as the most important clementine research station all over the world, and together with the few mentioned spanish varieties there are about 150 different clementine varieties available, but only a few have commercial importance of made it in competition.
So very promissing is cmenetine 2000, the best release from corsica, starting now replacing some old and seedy varieties, with a slight tart / bitter taste in Algeria and Morokkow.
Look: Germplam Database of the SRA in Corsica
There are only few pictures available, and not much information... but it's woth a look. _________________ Eerh, hmm, uuuh, oooh, just guessing |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Sat 15 Mar, 2008 8:29 pm |
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Those are the only ones listed that are publicly available in the budwood distribution program. There are thousands more. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 16 Mar, 2008 12:29 am |
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I'm surprised to see that Marisol Clementine is not listed in the bud wood program. - Millet |
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Steve Citruholic
Joined: 10 Sep 2007 Posts: 253 Location: Southern Germany
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar, 2008 2:42 pm |
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Well,
consider: in Europe most germplasm stations exchange budwood and germplasm at demand, because if you consider that one arboretum should hold all clemetine varieties, well, how large that ochard should be?
So simply look at the Germplasm database of the spanish IVIA Institute at Valencia which even holds a large germplasm database and a even large citrus arboretum for budwood...
So here Mariol is listet, and a 4 DNA strain variety of Marisol as well.
So, in Turkey, sorry, there is no germplasm/budwood information online, as well as for greece and italy, there are also different varieties listed, which were not found in other databases....
But allways interesting to browse.... _________________ Eerh, hmm, uuuh, oooh, just guessing |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Mon 17 Mar, 2008 3:12 pm |
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Millet wrote: | I'm surprised to see that Marisol Clementine is not listed in the bud wood program. - Millet |
I got mine from Gene Lester.
Gene Lester has lots more citrus cultivars than those listed in the CCPP budwood program, especially the clementine types.
Was surprised to know that the Gold Nugget at Gene Lester's farm only tasted so-so. The Marisol Clementine tasted much better. |
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Brancato Citruholic
Joined: 14 Mar 2009 Posts: 163 Location: Jamestown, Colorado, 9K
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Posted: Wed 19 Aug, 2009 3:57 am |
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Does anyone know of any mail order nurserys that will ship a Nules Clementine? The only nursery I see online that supposedly offers a Nules has fairly bad ratings on Garden Watchdog. Is budwood from the CCPP really the only reliable way to go? I doubt this will do any good here in Chicago as I belive Millet said before that it is difficult to get approved for the CCPP from out of state? Any suggestions?
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SonomaCitrus Citruholic
Joined: 29 Nov 2005 Posts: 65 Location: Santa Rosa, CA
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Posted: Sat 22 Aug, 2009 3:24 pm |
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Brancato,
TreeSource has Nules currently in stock in their liner size:
http://www.citrustreesource.com/cultivars/index.cfm?mode=av&VID=3
What I'm not sure is if they will ship an order of less than 25 units for liner size trees that are in stock. Since they list pricing for less than 25, I think the minimum requirement may only apply to orders that need to be propogated. Perhaps if someone else on this group already knows for sure, they will chime in; otherwise, you might call TreeSource and inquire. If you do, please post the results.
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