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Gibberellic Acid to Pollinate Apple Trees
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Sat 16 Feb, 2008 9:01 pm |
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I'm conteplating the purchase of an apple tree, but from the research that I'm doing, it appears that I need two trees (preferablely different varieties) to cross polinate. With the success I've had using GA3 to pollinate my tangelo tree, I was wondering if I could do the same for apple trees. Does anyone happen to know?
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Sat 16 Feb, 2008 10:08 pm |
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It is possible, and you meant to have fruit set, rather than pollination.
So what cultivar do you have? In a jiffy, I can send you dormant scionwood of apple cultivar that you can graft to provide the pollens for pollination for next year. I can get you low chill types but depends on what you have. I may have something that could be a good pollenizer. |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Sat 16 Feb, 2008 10:19 pm |
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JoeReal wrote: | It is possible, and you meant to have fruit set, rather than pollination.
So what cultivar do you have? In a jiffy, I can send you dormant scionwood of apple cultivar that you can graft to provide the pollens for pollination for next year. I can get you low chill types but depends on what you have. I may have something that could be a good pollenizer. |
I don't have any apple trees yet. I was looking at the columnar apple trees at Raintree Nursery since I have limited space in the yard. I just read though that one person didn't think it tasted as good than from regular trees.
http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?productid=A275
http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?productid=A273
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Sun 17 Feb, 2008 2:38 am |
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It depends where you grow them. I know that the Scarlet sentinel is only marginally better than the taste of soft cardboard in our area. But the Macintosh types are usually good enough. The Macintosh types are usually pollen sterile.
Most of the columnar apples are high chill though, and I wouldn't know if they will be suited for your area.
If I were you, I'd get the ultradwarf golden dorsett from Home Depot. It is excellent bearer, low chill type and taste great. That and Anna apple should be good in your area. The Ultradwarf is small compact tree that you can train or prune to shape. That's one advantage of the ultradwarf apples over citruses is that practically, you can bend them or shape them into tighter areas to suit your needs.
Citrus is not the only plants I grow. I have quite a diversified fruit portfolio. |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Sun 17 Feb, 2008 2:46 am |
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JoeReal wrote: |
If I were you, I'd get the ultradwarf golden dorsett from Home Depot. It is excellent bearer, low chill type and taste great. That and Anna apple should be good in your area. The Ultradwarf is small compact tree that you can train or prune to shape. That's one advantage of the ultradwarf apples over citruses is that practically, you can bend them or shape them into tighter areas to suit your needs.
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Thanks Joe for the recommendation. I happen to have a gift card to Home Depot that I bet would cover the purchase of an apple tree. As far as the ultradwarf golden dorsett, can they be grown in half wine barrels? How about pollination, do they need a girlfriend in my yard. My neighbor has an apple tree about 100 feet away, but I don't know if that's too far away or not.
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Sun 17 Feb, 2008 2:59 pm |
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dauben wrote: | Thanks Joe for the recommendation. I happen to have a gift card to Home Depot that I bet would cover the purchase of an apple tree. As far as the ultradwarf golden dorsett, can they be grown in half wine barrels? How about pollination, do they need a girlfriend in my yard. |
I think I found the solution. Raintree nursery has a 3x1 low chill apple tree that includes Golden Dorsett. I don't want the the height of their tree so I think what I'll do is get the ultradwarf that you recommended and see if I can find Annna and/or Einshemer to graft onto it. Can you T-bud apple trees like you can with citrus trees or do you recommend another method?
Raintree Link: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?ProductID=A803LC
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Sun 17 Feb, 2008 9:32 pm |
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Phillip, that's good for you!
The Golden Dorsett is self fertile, at least in my yard. It is the very first one to bloom and the next one will be about 2-3 weeks after that, and it sets plenty of fruits, so it is self-fertile. Being self-fruitful, it is a good pollenizers to others, only if the bloom time overlaps.
And a big bonus about ultradwarf apples is that they tend to tolerate fireblight much better than the standard or semi-dwarf types. I have a productive golden dorsett in a 5-gallon pot, and so planting it in wine barrel should give you even more fruits.
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Sun 17 Feb, 2008 11:44 pm |
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JoeReal wrote: | Phillip, that's good for you!
The Golden Dorsett is self fertile, at least in my yard. It is the very first one to bloom and the next one will be about 2-3 weeks after that, and it sets plenty of fruits, so it is self-fertile. Being self-fruitful, it is a good pollenizers to others, only if the bloom time overlaps.
And a big bonus about ultradwarf apples is that they tend to tolerate fireblight much better than the standard or semi-dwarf types. I have a productive golden dorsett in a 5-gallon pot, and so planting it in wine barrel should give you even more fruits.
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Argghhh . . . I spent half of the day looking for Golden Dorsett. Home Depot, Armstrong, and Lowes. No one had them. Surprisingly, Home Depot had a lot of bare root apple trees, but all with higher chill requirements. Don't they look at their demographics before deciding what they sell? I also noticed them selling deer repellent in the middle of suburbia. Go figure. Anyway, my thought is to look into mail order now since bare root sales might stop here much earlier than other parts of the country.
I like the 3 in 1 combo tree at Raintree Nursery. I don't suppose you know anything about the M111 rootstock and if it can be planted in a half wine barrel do you?
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 12:02 am |
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I have some ultradwarfing rootstock, the Russian types, bought from RainTree last year. I would have assembled one for you, but the rootstocks are not performing well inground, but I know they will do well in wine barrels.
Apples on M-111 will only let you dwarf it to 85% of standard, that is still a big one for a wine barrel type, but then again, these are apples, and certainly you can train them your way even in wine barrels. But in my opinion, forget these apples on M-111, they are a lot of pruning work and could take a lot of time to be productive.
If you are not in a hurry, you can order the EMLA 27 dwarfing rootstock from Raintree, these are well suited for container growing: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?productid=R020
Then next year, send me PM and I will send you apple scionwood just for the price of postage. You need to establish the rootstock in wine barrel first before you graft unto them. You will be rewarded with fantastic looking apples with a maximum height of 6 ft. |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 4:14 am |
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JoeReal wrote: |
If you are not in a hurry, you can order the EMLA 27 dwarfing rootstock from Raintree, these are well suited for container growing: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/productdetails.cfm?productid=R020
Then next year, send me PM and I will send you apple scionwood just for the price of postage. You need to establish the rootstock in wine barrel first before you graft unto them. You will be rewarded with fantastic looking apples with a maximum height of 6 ft. |
Thanks Joe, I might just do that. I'm also looking through Raintrees varieties that they offer on the EMLA 27. It doesn't really look like they say much about chill requirements. One that caught my eye on the EMLA 27 was the Queen Cox Select. I had noticed that one previously because it was self fertile, but upon further research, it appears that people like the taste as well. Do you happen to know anything about it? My thought is if I can get a decent tasting tree on EMLA 27 with lower chill requirements, I might just order one along with the EMLA 27 rootstock to satisfy my apple covetousness now and in the year to come.
Then again, I may have to give up on apples all together. They had a pineapple guava that caught my eye at Lowes. It was an evergreen and It looked like it didn't get too large. If the apple tree falls through, maybe I'll look into the pineapple guava more.
Thanks for the help.
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 8:55 am |
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I still rate Fuji as one of the best apples there is and it is a low chill variety. _________________ Skeet
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 11:46 am |
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My current favorite apple is Honey Crisp. I have no idea if Honey Crisp is low chill or not. They cost more in the store than all other varieties. I cannot stand an apple that is not firm and crisp when you bite into it. - Millet. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 1:30 pm |
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I'm expecting a decent crop of my honey crisp this year. It was grafted last year and it is so vigorous. I topworked the honey crisp on top of Fuji. Fuji are also very good. My only complain about Fuji is that it is almost pure sweetness with no acid and wanted my fresh apple to have at least some tartness into them. I still have half of my apple canopy consists of Fuji. Fuji is susceptible to fireblight, but with a mature tree, it is quite easy to control via pruning, and application of Kocide 3000 on the open blooms.
Honey Crisp is being grown by people at the Bay Area and bears reliably, so it must be low chill. It has also some fireblight tolerance, so much the better. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 1:38 pm |
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Here's from my database:
Honeycrisp
Best flavored, really hardy apple. Crispy with a honey after taste. Large red fruits are crisp, juicy and sweet. Great keeper. Moderate disease resistance. Mid season bloom; Pollen-sterile; pollinated by most varieties EXCEPT Gravesntein, Bramley's seedling. From Minnesota. An improved Jonathan dessert type apple, with less acid, scab immunity, and resistance to fire blight, mildew and cedar rust. Very productive. Estimated 450-600 chilling hours. Zone 3-9. |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Mon 18 Feb, 2008 1:41 pm |
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Well based on everyone's recommendations, I went to place an order with Raintree for their Beni Shogun Fuji apple on EMLA 27 rootstock which is shown in their 2008 catalog. I was also going to order a couple of EMLA 27 for a future Golden Dorsett. However, with my luck being the way it is, they don't appear to have any more of their Fuji's on EMLA 27 and only have them on EMLA 26. Joe do you know how EMLA 26 will fare in a half wine barrel?
Also looked into the Honeycrisp, but it appears to need more chill hours than what we have to offer locally. I'm officially in Zone 10 according to Gardenweb's zipcode tool, but I suspect that I'm more like a Zone 9 based on the amount of ice I have on my windshield every morning. I'm up against a mountain that shelters my area from the heat that the rest of the city gets.
Thanks for everyone's recommendations!! Now on to my tomato hunt. I bought Parks Whopper and Lemonboy tomatoes yesterday. I'm thinking about a super beefsteak and sugary tomatoes now.
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