I am always amazed at your collection Benny..
Hope mine look half that good in a few months..

Gina *BabyBlue*

Gina:
I think you will be surprised how they will show their appreciation for creating them. I have one green gage that grew maybe 3 feet in the same summer and bore fruit that I enjoyed eating when fall came.
And I am getting the hang of grafting. I think you will too. Soon.
And thank you for a very nice compliment.
All this experience most of it I learned from my friend Joe real.
Thanks Joe.

Joe:
Kindly repeat what you have said regarding when to remove the plastic cover to your new grafted scions. Is it after 2 or 3 leaves sprouted or for so many inches of growth?
If you want the specifics, it is for my santa rosa plums and plouts and possibly in the near future for my persimmons.

Benny, I would only use plastic cover if I am grafting late in the spring to summer. Anyway, you can remove them. If you are covering the scionwood with parafilm tape, there is no need to use plastic covers in the first place. So remove those plastic covers. Today is the perfect time before it warms up again next week.

Thanks!

Here's a rep of some of my bark grafts recommended by JoeReal on my FUYU Persimmons. I grafted this on 2/24/07 when the buds were still dormant but it was the tail end of the winter. It was just a trial so I only graft a few.
Apparently they will take even though the bark are not slipping.
This is again recommended by Joe Real to try.



This particular graft is a nashu mura washi.

Joe: is this a good eating one?

But look at my different European plums grafted to my santa rosa plu!m! They are really going out of style. Just grafted on 2/29/07

Here's an update of my fuyo persimmons. pics taken on 4 22 07



I spoke too soon that the grafts were 100%take. Some of them are not growing at all now. I attributed this to the dead scion before even I grafted it. Because it was placed where the ref was iced all over the contents.

But here's the European plums that I grafted last 2 28 07 and appears to be takingover on the whole canopy of my santa rosa plum


This is 100% take.

Hi Benny,

Nice grafts! Just leave the "dead" persimmon grafts on, sometimes they sprout the next year, if not sprout next year, chop them off.

What you have is actually Nishimura Wase. It is an early type and a PVNA. Which means that it would be astringent if it is not pollinated. But when pollinated, it is non-astringent and can be eaten firm. The color of the flesh changes to coffee brown when pollinated, and becomes sweet with a little bit of cinnamon spice. But when not pollinated, the flesh remains orange and must be soft ripe to be palatable. Also if partially pollinated, only the sides of the fruit that have seeds would be non-astringent. Fruits are ready for harvest about a month earlier than Fuyu.

There is a very good technique to remove astringency to be sure but more on that later.

Here's my computer generated info from my own personal database program on your "nahsu mura":

Also known as Coffee Cake. Nishimura Wase produces medium sized fruits. A pollination variant non astringent (PVNA) type. Firm ripe fruits can be eaten fresh when completely pollinated. Fruit shape is flat, with a squarish cross section. Best time to harvest is when fruits have orange-red skin color. When ripe, flesh is dark-brown in color when pollinated. Sugar content of the fruit is medium to low. It has sub-ovate seeds that are large to very large sized. Frost resistance is low. Fruit production has high reliability. It has none or very low grafting compatibility on Diospyrus lotus rootstock. Its fruits ripen very early in the season. The female flowers are medium sized. Nishimura Wase is intermediate bloomer compared to others. This plant is mainly used for fruit production. Cultivar is of Japanese origin. An advanced (domesticated or bred) cultivar. It bears female and male flowers. Tree ripened fruits have good taste. Fruits are primarily used as dessert. An intermediately vigorous to a slow growing tree.

Thanks Joe for the information.
I have another persimmons grafted to another persimmon tree. I just noticed this this morning. The same bunch but was grafted later. I can't remember if that was one of the ones you sent at a later date.

Matsumoto Washi



And finally I saw the first spear coming out of your dwarf Brazilian. So it means it is going to live.
Pics later.

Benny, it is called Matsumoto Wase. The term Wase means early.

So any Japanese named fruit be it plums, apples, pears, or persimmons that have a Wase attached to the name, it means that it is an early type for that group of fruits.

Also, anything that has Gosho term, is sure to be non-astringent. Gosho actually means Imperial Palace.

The word Fuyu means winter, as most persimmons mature towards the winter.

Oh, you are going to like Matsumoto Wase. It is the very first bud sport mutation of Fuyu. It ripens about 2 to 3 weeks ahead of Fuyu, last year, they ripened a month before. But watch out, the graft would bloom. It makes a lot of flowers and fruits that you may need to stake it next year.

Here's the meaning of other common Japanese fruit terms:
FUYU = winter
GOSHO = imperial palace
HANA = flower of
ICHI = #1
KAKI / GAKI = persimmon
KI = life
SAIJO = best
TANENASHI = without seed
WASE = early

Thanks Joe for straightening me out. I copy and put them in my folder.

And here's another bark graft from another fuyu persimmon tree. I don't know what it is for now

Benny,

Last time I counted, I have 40 persimmon cultivars! 36 of them in one tree. If I develop my taste for the astringent types later, I would have more. I'm running out of branches to graft to, I might sacrifice some of the fruits next time.

Joe

Hey, Joe, that maybe another record again.
You ough to discuss that with the guiness.
Oh, I have 4 matured fuyu persimmons in my yard and have plenty of flower buds.
You can experiment on all of them if you want (LOL).