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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Wed 10 Sep, 2008 7:23 pm |
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Hello Fellow Citrus Lovers!
My personal thanks to all of you well-wishers! Please forgive me if I can't catch up with all the emails and postings as of late. Been really too busy with the company growing and many changes in the family... But hoping it will be back to normal sometime in the future and correspond with most you again. I'll drop in from to time to give some updates whenever I can.
Most of you already know that my son is doing okay and I am personally helping him prepare to go to college, UC Santa Barbara most likely (cannot talk him out of it). Been spending a lot of time with all my kids. And as Benny have mentioned, and Millet personally congratulated (my personal thanks Bob!), we gave celebration party to thank God for fulfilling my wife's long dream of becoming a professional Nurse. Getting into the nursing school is tough and competitive in our area, and she got in after a very long wait but finished quickly and graduated with honors, passed the NCLEX and got a job... and so we celebrated with many friends, relatives, colleagues... We've had short-step yard tour, fruit tasting, wine tasting (20 fruit wines and 4 gold medal commercial wines), plenty of food, music, karaoke, wish you were all here... and I am still cleaning up.
As a gift, and to take advantage of the excellent real estate deals, my dear wife is planning to buy us a ranch style home with a 2.3 acre backyard, and so you could only imagine how much that size of backyard is going to limit my online activities. I managed to grow 550 fruiting cultivars in a 1/50th (725 sq ft) acre backyard of our primary residence, so just imagine what I could do with 2.3 acres! Finally, I would be able to build my own dream greenhouses with land to spare. But that would be several years down the road, God willing. Meanwhile, we are working out a deal to buy this formerly $1.45M home with 2.3 acre lot that is now being sold at less than half its original price:
By joereal at 2008-09-10
Nothing is final in a volatile market. If we can't get this one, we will look for another. There's plenty to go around. I myself love the bare back yard... this place has lots of "growing" potential. I love rebuilding a yard from scratch and nothing to uproot except the wild grasses. The first plants would be citruses, pomegranates, and cold hardy avocadoes. Already my list of plants is a mile long, just inside the imaginary greenhouse, |
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bencelest Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1595 Location: Salinas, California
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Posted: Wed 10 Sep, 2008 7:40 pm |
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Oh, Wow!
THat looks heavenly.
Hope you luck Joe. |
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bencelest Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 1595 Location: Salinas, California
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Posted: Wed 10 Sep, 2008 7:43 pm |
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I just wired a house like that and it is now selling for 2.95 mil. but I think it is still smaller and much less acreage. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 10 Sep, 2008 8:36 pm |
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Joe, I have always admired you, your quite a human being. God take care of you, your family, and your dreams and aspirations. Whether it is this property or not, you most certainly will wind up with your dream. From experience, I can tell you owning land is a lot of work, but it is good work, self satisfying work and fulfilling work. You will do well. God is not making any more land, but some of it has your name written all over it............. Take care - Millet
(BTW I seen your name in the current issue of the CFRG Fruit Gardner magazine.) |
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dauben Citruholic
Joined: 25 Nov 2006 Posts: 963 Location: Ramona, CA, Zone 9A
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Posted: Wed 10 Sep, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Congratulations and welcome back. You've been missed!
Phillip |
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harveyc Citruholic
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 372 Location: Sacramento Delta USDA Zone 9
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 12:39 pm |
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That's a good size, Joe. Much bigger than that and weeds become a real challenge to manage in our climate.
Not that it would probably change your mind on the property, but you should take a water sample and send it in for an "Irrigation Water Suitability" test. There in Yolo County much of the groundwater is high in boron with a high pH. I saw the other day that the USDA repository purifies all of their well water for their greenhouse use with storage of about 10,000 gallons.
Good luck! _________________ Harvey |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5680 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 1:37 pm |
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Nice place Joe. Glad to see your doing well. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:20 pm |
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bencelest wrote: | I just wired a house like that and it is now selling for 2.95 mil. but I think it is still smaller and much less acreage. |
Thanks Benny! This one is on sale for about $600K. The actual lot size is 2.8 acres. Minus the house and the drive way, I will have 1 hectare of backyard. In the Philippines, I wished to have a 1 hectare backyard, I couldn't get it there with a house, only here. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:20 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Joe, I have always admired you, your quite a human being. God take care of you, your family, and your dreams and aspirations. Whether it is this property or not, you most certainly will wind up with your dream. From experience, I can tell you owning land is a lot of work, but it is good work, self satisfying work and fulfilling work. You will do well. God is not making any more land, but some of it has your name written all over it............. Take care - Millet
(BTW I seen your name in the current issue of the CFRG Fruit Gardner magazine.) |
Thanks Millet. Much appreciated! |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:21 pm |
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dauben wrote: | Congratulations and welcome back. You've been missed!
Phillip |
I missed all of you too. But will post more when time allows. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:40 pm |
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harveyc wrote: | That's a good size, Joe. Much bigger than that and weeds become a real challenge to manage in our climate.
Not that it would probably change your mind on the property, but you should take a water sample and send it in for an "Irrigation Water Suitability" test. There in Yolo County much of the groundwater is high in boron with a high pH. I saw the other day that the USDA repository purifies all of their well water for their greenhouse use with storage of about 10,000 gallons.
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Harvey, it will never be a problem for me EVEN IF the land is unpalatable to the plants. So far, I have surveyed the soil based on GIS and USGS (from UC Davis Ecology Department, been a grad student there), and it is Redding Loam type, and here's the details:
Detailed Soils Data: Redding loam, 2 to 8 percent slopes (197) [Survey Area ca067]
General Soils Data: REDDING-CORNING-PENTZ (CA406)
Geologic Data:Plio-Pleistocene nonmarine Pliocene nonmarine (QPc)
Legal Description: T R Section 0
And I checked nearby orchards and some fruit trees growing in some neighbors: Pomegranates, Persimmons, Jujubes, Peaches, Plums, Apples are ALL doing great, with no signs of salt burn. I haven't seen anyone with citrus at all. The area has only attenuated influence of delta breeze so it gets colder than Davis during winter. Might be at par with suburban Modesto climate and doesn't have the city island heat effect. I believe cold hardier citruses (mandarins, calamondins, yuzu, sudachi) would be excellent in the area. Worst case, some will be tucked close to the west wall of the house, or inside a greenhouse. Our business partner (computer company) lives about 5 miles away and they have excellent Meyer Lemon growing by their west wall. So there is hope for other citruses, I was just wondering why I haven't seen anyone planting them yet.
As to the water, I can't care that much if they will be suited for plants, as long as it is humanly safe for drinking. I can now fully express all of my ideas about it. I already have plans for rainfall recapture system. The area receives 18" per year. I also have plans for grey water reuse and recharging. And I have fantastic plans for how a greenhouse should be. I have shown you some plans about a greenhouse that wouldn't need heating and cooling, ever. It is based on the concept of passive annualized heat storage with enough water buffers. I plan to recycle the water evaporated from the plants within the greenhouse and recycle it using passive condensation methods. The only energy consumed will be for the fans, no compressors, no heaters. All powered by grid-tied solar. And it will be supplied with CO2 from where else but, my "dream" hobby style winery.
The main house will have plenty of solar panels. Solar panels will come down cheaply within 2 to 3 years, and even without rebates, the price of electricity that it will save us on a monthly basis will be bigger than the amortized payments, so it will be feasible. Solar Panels will help cool the house during summer and I plan to produce as much energy as I can. And I will also have earth based cooling and heating driven by fans instead of heaters and compressors. I will also have solar heaters built by myself and installed in the roof.
And I can have a big storage shed....
So you could imagine that I will be too busy... |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:44 pm |
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Laaz wrote: | Nice place Joe. Glad to see your doing well. |
Thanks Laaz! And I would be truly busy. But will try to check out the citrus forum at least twice each week. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 2:52 pm |
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And most of all, the city regulators are minimally interfering. Unlike Davis, you feel that you live inside a prison when it comes to expressing your ideas in your backyard.... But I'll have all my structures inspected by the city, but practically, anything you want to build or plant....
In Davis, petitions should be filed and hearings are made if you want to cut just a single branch of the tree if the limb is over 6" diameter, and the tree is in your yard! But once approved, the city will assign a professional arborist to cut the tree branches for you at the city's cost, funded by the exorbitant property tax of course. |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 3:30 pm |
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Joe, Your plans for the property sound like they have been a subject of much thought over many years! It sounds like a lifetime dream come true, and I hope everything works to your advantage. I am so excited for you! It is good to hear from you again. Barbara
Now, how to transplant a 80-something in one tree.... I know that if it can be done, you will do it! And with pictures! |
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harveyc Citruholic
Joined: 10 Jan 2007 Posts: 372 Location: Sacramento Delta USDA Zone 9
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Posted: Thu 11 Sep, 2008 4:25 pm |
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Don't be stubborn, Joe. Do the tests, they are cheap and help you know what to deal with before you discover the problems later on. Speaking from EXPERIENCE! A soil and water test combined will only set you back about $100, IIRC.
I also think you're going to need more water than what you'll be capturing from the skies (especially in years like 2008).
I wish I had treated my entire chestnut orchard with sulfuric acid before I planted it. Most of it was okay but even within 4 acres the soil varies quite a bit and trees in one area are week. _________________ Harvey |
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