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		| danero2004 Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 03 Feb, 2012 7:59 pm |  
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				| Hello , Serj , any updates?
 
I see at news that the winter has gone a little bit crazy , -35C is a little too much isn't it?
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 03 Feb, 2012 8:10 pm |  
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				| Hello to all! We have had -30 C or so. It is the worst winter during the last 30 years. In my greenhouse was +0,6 C. I made some automatic device that measured temperature from 6 sensors and stored all data into a SD memory card. My device control the ventilation system and earth accumulation system. The temperature of soil is +3,3 C. Today the temperature (as i told early) was dropped to +0,6 C. My device turned the accumulation system on so that the temperature recovered to +1,1 C and system was turned off. When the temperature will be above zero by celsius a make some pics and share them on our forum.  |  | 
	
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		| danero2004 Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 03 Feb, 2012 8:47 pm |  
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				| is it a new greenhouse ? I will wait for pictures .     |  | 
	
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 26 Feb, 2012 5:22 pm |  
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		| danero2004 Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 26 Feb, 2012 5:24 pm |  
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				| Hi Serj , as I see they all look ok , but one of them I see that have curled leaves , maybe was a little cold .
 
what was the lowest temp inside?
 
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 26 Feb, 2012 5:39 pm |  
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				| It was +0,6 on height 0,2 m above ground level and +0,4 C on height 0,8 m above ground level. It was 2-3 days. Usually was +1 +1,4 C.  |  | 
	
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Sun 24 Jun, 2012 7:02 pm |  
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				| I started building new greenhouse instead 2 old ones.
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		| Spazze 
 
 
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 3:52 pm |  
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				| I look forward to see the finished result.
 
Can you tell us more about the build? What will you change and why?
 
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 4:23 pm |  
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				| I'm going to
- expand size of my greenhouse. Previous two were 6,8 and 4,5 m2. This must be 20,5 m2;
 - build wall with such powerful material as concrete bricks;
 - make my greenhouse more deeper so that i can extract more heat from the ground;
 - use two layers of policarbonate with air space 20 mm between these layers. It equal to the one inch of styrofoam. It can help to store heat;
 - use styrofoam shields 0,75 - 1 m to insulate walls from the ground freezing in winter;
 - build entrance so that i can enter greenhouse in winter.
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		| Millet Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 5:08 pm |  
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				| serj, to obtain any R-factor benefit (extra warmth) when using  double-wall polycarbonate, you have to tightly cap both ends of the sheet. I presume in the Ukraine polycarbonate comes open ended, just as it does here in America.  Looks like it will be a nice greenhouse. - Millet  |  | 
	
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		| Spazze 
 
 
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 5:13 pm |  
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				| Interesting. 
 
The 2-layer polycarbonate is for the roof I suppose? Something like this:   ?
 
Do you mean 0.75-1m thick styrofoam for the walls?!
 
How far below the ground level is the floor going to be?
 
Do you have any numbers for how cold the ground will be at a certain distance below ground level?
 
How does you accumulator system work? Maybe I missed something obvious. Does it transport hot water from deeper under ground?  |  | 
	
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 5:32 pm |  
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				| Yes, i'm going to use two layers as it showed on the picture.
No, 0.75 m in depth and 2-inches thick. Our ground freezes about 0,5 m in depth (usually).
 My accumulator is air that circulate throught pipes.
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		| danero2004 Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 6:37 pm |  
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				| Serj , that is beautifull
 
My guess is that you won't build a 50m2 next year     
Why don't you use AAC (Autoclaved Aerated Concrete) , it is more light and more responsive to heat and insulate better than concerte blocks
 
I will watch your construction as I will need something like this too in the near future
 
See Ya
 
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		| serj Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 6:44 pm |  
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				| Daniel, Autoclaved Aerated Concrete is more expensive than concrete. I suppose twice. And i want so that one half of wall (deeper) conduct heat from the ground and upper part of wall with styrofoam don't conduct heat.
 About 50 m2 - i don't have enought place to build it.
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		| danero2004 Citruholic
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Tue 26 Jun, 2012 6:54 pm |  
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				| do you have a drawing of the future greenhouse?
 thanks
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