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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 3:40 pm

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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 3:44 pm

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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 3:47 pm

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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 3:49 pm

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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 3:59 pm

They come up right along the shore Marc...

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Laaz · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 4:02 pm

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bussone · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 5:40 pm

Laaz wrote:

You can keep that crappy weather up north! I'll enjoy the heat! Laughing

It looks more like this in the summer.

This photo was taken about 2 miles from that snowy one. =)

It's like an ocean, except you can drink the water*.

* -- it is still full of fish pee

Other than the cold winters, it's actually a pretty decent citrus climate. With sandy soil that drains very well, it's a solid fruit belt for grapes, apples, peaches, cherries, blueberries, raspberries, and in the boggier areas, cranberries and thimbleberries.

MarcV · Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 6:03 pm

I think I need a vacation! Laughing

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ilyaC · Posted: Sat 01 Feb, 2014 11:37 am

Till wrote:

Trifoliata makes a very good lemonade, people! !

Till,
You will certainly enjoy reading this page. It is in French, here is Google translation.
Not only a lemonade, but many other uses!

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Till · Posted: Sat 01 Feb, 2014 3:42 pm

Thank you, Ilya. I should also try marmalade although I am a bit skeptical that I would like it. I am definitely not a friend of the row fruit. Therefore the positive surprise of the lemonade was so great.
But it is true that some Poncirus fruits at least are easy to peel, so the one without bitterness from Mainz. And fruits without the bitter peel may in fact produce a very good marmalade or backing aroma, in as much more as the pine flavor disappears when the juicy or mash is exposed to air.

The problem remains that we don't get a lot of pulp because of all the seeds. But I have seen that the Japanese have Poncirus varieties almost without bitterness, juicy and with only 12 seeds per fruit at average. See here http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/databases-plant_search_char_en.php?type=61

Oh, I would like to have them!

ilyaC · Posted: Sat 01 Feb, 2014 7:15 pm

Number of seeds probably depends on the conditions of flowering(pollination?).
This year with very cold and wet spring Flying Dragon fruits here were almost seedless and contained a lot of pulp.

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Till · Posted: Sun 02 Feb, 2014 10:41 am

That confirms the observation of the British forum members who often have even seedless fruits.

I hope this data from Japan was gathered under norm conditions so that you can really compare the cultivars. Zdenek (http://www.exotickerostliny.cz/en/katalog-rostlin-othermenu-95/poncirusy-a-hybridy-othermenu-91/29-poncirus-trifoliata.html) also mentions that there are varieties with less seeds. But he did not tell me from where he has this information.

bussone · Posted: Mon 03 Feb, 2014 7:26 pm

Till wrote:

Thank you, Ilya. I should also try marmalade although I am a bit skeptical that I would like it. I am definitely not a friend of the row fruit. Therefore the positive surprise of the lemonade was so great.
But it is true that some Poncirus fruits at least are easy to peel, so the one without bitterness from Mainz. And fruits without the bitter peel may in fact produce a very good marmalade or backing aroma, in as much more as the pine flavor disappears when the juicy or mash is exposed to air.

The problem remains that we don't get a lot of pulp because of all the seeds. But I have seen that the Japanese have Poncirus varieties almost without bitterness, juicy and with only 12 seeds per fruit at average. See here http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/databases-plant_search_char_en.php?type=61

Oh, I would like to have them!

The seeds are actually helpful for marmalades. Many of the seville-based recipes involve a step where the seeds and remaining flesh are wrapped in cheesecloth and boiled into submission (as per the universal British culinary tradition) in order to extract more pectin. Apparently in early America, hardy oranges were a frequent source of pectin for jelly-making.

That french website's recipe is basically identical to how Sevilles are used, with the understanding that Poncirus is even more bitter than Sevilles are. But the usage notes are almost identical.

bussone · Posted: Mon 03 Feb, 2014 7:40 pm

Till wrote:

Thank you, Ilya. I should also try marmalade although I am a bit skeptical that I would like it. I am definitely not a friend of the row fruit. Therefore the positive surprise of the lemonade was so great.
But it is true that some Poncirus fruits at least are easy to peel, so the one without bitterness from Mainz. And fruits without the bitter peel may in fact produce a very good marmalade or backing aroma, in as much more as the pine flavor disappears when the juicy or mash is exposed to air.

The problem remains that we don't get a lot of pulp because of all the seeds. But I have seen that the Japanese have Poncirus varieties almost without bitterness, juicy and with only 12 seeds per fruit at average. See here http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/databases-plant_search_char_en.php?type=61

Oh, I would like to have them!

http://www.gene.affrc.go.jp/databases-plant_search_detail_en.php?jp=113401

Oddly, that one was donated from the USA...

Till · Posted: Sat 08 Feb, 2014 6:24 pm

Yes, that is definitely a good one.