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Patty_in_wisc
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Posted: Wed 03 Sep, 2008 4:25 am

Thanks Sylvain.
... "12 oz (355 g not sure) of water"...
I don't use metric much, but I believe 1 1/2 cups is not measured in grams. 1 1/2 cps is 350 ML .
It's got to be more than 0.355g of GA - label says 1.25cc (0.4 - 0.5 g). I don't know why it isn't more precise on g measure.
Does this make sense to anyone else?
Hey, thanks for "the coke line method" of measuring LOL.

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Posted: Wed 03 Sep, 2008 1:48 pm

water weighs 1 gram for each 1 ml. So 10 mls of water weighs 10g.

I found this product, Pro-Gibb
http://rosecare1.stores.yahoo.net/progibb4.html
which is very expensive!

here is the MDSD with info on how to use it on citrus, which may be helpful (or scary)
http://www.hort.wisc.edu/cran/PestWeb/Cranberry%20Labels/progibb%204.pdf

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Posted: Wed 03 Sep, 2008 2:29 pm

Hi Patty,
If your instructions say add the contents to 12 oz to make 1000 ppm, I would add the contents to 12 oz of alcohol and keep that as your stock solution. The GA should keep better in alcohol than in water and it is more soluble in alcohol.

Then make a 1:100 dilution when you are ready to use it. 10 ml will make a 1000 ml of 10 ppm solution. In non metric measures that would be about 2 tsp per quart.

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Patty_in_wisc
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Posted: Wed 03 Sep, 2008 6:45 pm

Thanks for explaining. I'm good at math but I'm a metric dummy.
I read about mixing with alcohol mostly because GA dilutes better than in water.

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Posted: Tue 16 Sep, 2008 9:35 pm

Thanks again Skeet. I was gone for 10 days & there were blossoms ready to open, so I missed them. Hopefully those fruits will hang on.
I mixed 1/2 the powder into 6 oz of alcohol & it is in fridge. I mixed 1 tsp of that in 3/4 cp water (everything in half) & sprayed several new open blossoms with more to open in next few days. Saving the other half for next year.
Anyone know what the shelf life would be?

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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 12:11 am

Patty, you might have made your solution a little strong (about 25 ppm)-- half the powder in 6 oz would still be 1000 ppm, but 1 tsp (5 ml) in 3/4 Cup would be the same as 5 tsp in a quart.

The alcohol solution should keep fairly well in the fridge.

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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 12:31 am

SussanB, Pro Gib is the gibberellic acid formulation I have long used on citrus, it works very well. The application rate for Pro Gib is 1 gram per gallon. Spray citrus when the tree is in full bloom. Gibberellic acid "pollinates" citrus blooms so well that the tree sets an over abundance of fruit, which causes the fruit to be smaller than normal. Therefore, if large fruit is desired, some thinning should be carried out. We also use Pro Gib on various field crops on our farm. - Millet
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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 12:40 am

Ah, that makes more sense, Millet.

Skeeter, so glad you have the math skills!

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Patty_in_wisc
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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 2:09 am

Skeeter wrote:
Hi Patty,
If your instructions say add the contents to 12 oz to make 1000 ppm, I would add the contents to 12 oz of alcohol and keep that as your stock solution. The GA should keep better in alcohol than in water and it is more soluble in alcohol.

Then make a 1:100 dilution when you are ready to use it. 10 ml will make a 1000 ml of 10 ppm solution. In non metric measures that would be about 2 tsp per quart.


Skeet, instead of 12 oz water for contents of powder, I used 6 oz (alcohol) with half the powder (the alcohol sure made it disolve quickly). Then I used 1 teaspoon of that with 2 cups (half qt) water. You said use 2 tsp per qt of water. I just did everything in halves. I sure hope it's not too strong! Their directions were to use the contents with 12 oz water which woulda been a VERY strong solution. I did what you said - you are very good at breaking the math down for me Laughing I can't wait to see the results. I also sprayed some of the leaves & unopened blossoms. Hope that won't hurt anything Rolling Eyes
I just read back what you said Skeet. You thought I used 1 tsp per 3/4 cup, but I used 1 tsp per 2 cups of solution. I think I'm OK.
Millet, what other field crops do you have? I remember you said you had a wheat farm (?) And, thank you for your generous offer for some of your GA!!! The stuff is very expensive!
Susan, I envy your metric math skills too.

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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 2:33 am

Patty, we are 95 percent winter wheat, however, we also raise Gamble's Oak, Statice, Aspen, and Rocky Mountain Cedar. The wheat is sold to the grain elevator, and the other products are cut, dyed, preserved and sold to the floral and potpourri industry, throughout the USA. - Millet
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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 1:17 pm

My word!
How do you ever find time to attend to your citrus and grapes, read, and post here? Do you ever sleep?
Very Happy
Susan

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Posted: Wed 17 Sep, 2008 1:23 pm

Patty, --yes it was the 3/4 cup part that I read in the original post that would have been wrong, but if you used 2 cups that was correct.

As for other things that GA is used for--2 that I am familiar with are strawberries and camelias. Those huge strawberries we get nowdays do not grow that way naturally--they are "Gibbed". I have a neighbor that is a camelia fanatic and competes in the local garden club for the biggest and best camelias in shows--to do that they use GA and a lot of pruning.

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Posted: Mon 22 Sep, 2008 9:13 am

thanks every body for the useful information.
i just recieved my GA3 order from this web site
the table explains the dosage
http://www.super-grow.biz/GA3Powder20.jsp
my question is when to apply and at what stage of flowering?
does it help new growth if applied when there is no blooms?
how many times a year is applied?
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