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Cactusrequiem
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Posted: Wed 12 Oct, 2011 10:09 pm

I am curious as to what everybody thinks, the best blood oranges are?
I have a Sanguinelli.
Sold off my Moro and Tarocco a couple of years ago, (long story) want to get another of each.
Then I saw a post by Mr. Texas about a Bream Tarocco, I had never even heard of this one.
Are there others?
I am assuming there is some taste difference and I know the color is different, especially depending on where they are grown.
Thoughts, Opinions?
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Posted: Thu 13 Oct, 2011 4:24 am

I'm always happy when the winter months arrive. It's the time of the year the best citrus fruit is available, including the blood oranges, which are my favorite citrus fruit.

For juicing, I usually use moro, but that's simply because they are the easiest to find here at the market. That used to be different though. I remember that, when I was a child, my mother always brought home oranges with a dark red peel (which probably were sanguinelli). I loved those, but they are hard to find now here.

Last winter I tasted tarocco for the very first time. Although they didn't contain much blood coloration, those were really delicious!

I have a moro and a sanguinelli in my plant collection, and after tasting tarocco I feel a strong urge to add a tarocco also. I don't live in a citrus growing area, so whether I will have some great homegrown blood oranges remains to be seen.

I read about other interesting blood varieties on the web, like bream tarocco and blood valencia, but I've never seen them available here (in Europe), not as a fruit, nor as a plant, so I won't ever be able to compare them...

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Posted: Fri 14 Oct, 2011 8:53 pm

Generally, I have heard that Tarocco tastes the best, but that is under ideal conditions. I have never eaten one, but I have a young tree.

Moro seems be the most consistent in flesh color, at least out of the deep blood group.

I like Sanguinelli but I've only had Moro to compare it to.
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Posted: Fri 14 Oct, 2011 9:19 pm

Tarroco is way too late for South Carolina, like March/April. You should stick with moro or sanguinelli as those are both early. I have moro, sanguinelli and tarroco in the ground. Tarroco is way too late for SE Texas as well. Wish I had know that before planting the tree.

I prefer Sanguinelli but it is a little later than Moro. Both however are ready by Christmas.
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Posted: Fri 14 Oct, 2011 9:37 pm

Thanks for the info everybody.
MrTexas, I actually cheat a little. All of my Citrus are in containers and I move them into the greenhouse when I have to. So I might still have to try the Tarroco.
In case anybody is wondering why I grow them in containers here in South Carolina.
1) I can. I work at a nursery and can get all the pots and potting mix I can use.
2) I rent. That way, when or if I have to move, they will all come with me.
3) I like to re-arrange my yard, kind of like people do with their furniture.
4) See #1

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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 8:32 am

This is more of a question... in the interest of saving space, and for the love of blood oranges, I played around and have successfully budded a tree with the following varieties: Moro, Tarocco, Sanguinelli, Smith Red, Cara Cara and Vaniglia Sanguigno. What affect on true varietal traits or taste, if any, will having them on the same tree be? Does anyone think I missed any? I added Cara Cara because it is my favorite orange and the Vaniglia Sanguigno was put on mainly out of curiosity. I will post some photos when I get the chance.
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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 9:18 am

gotro17 wrote:
This is more of a question... in the interest of saving space, and for the love of blood oranges, I played around and have successfully budded a tree with the following varieties: Moro, Tarocco, Sanguinelli, Smith Red, Cara Cara and Vaniglia Sanguigno. What affect on true varietal traits or taste, if any, will having them on the same tree be? Does anyone think I missed any? I added Cara Cara because it is my favorite orange and the Vaniglia Sanguigno was put on mainly out of curiosity. I will post some photos when I get the chance.


I'd love to have a tree like that myself, for exactly the same reasons! hate-ok Very Happy
Now show me those pictures! Wink Laughing

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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 3:39 pm

gotro17 wrote:
This is more of a question... in the interest of saving space, and for the love of blood oranges, I played around and have successfully budded a tree with the following varieties: Moro, Tarocco, Sanguinelli, Smith Red, Cara Cara and Vaniglia Sanguigno. What affect on true varietal traits or taste, if any, will having them on the same tree be? Does anyone think I missed any? I added Cara Cara because it is my favorite orange and the Vaniglia Sanguigno was put on mainly out of curiosity. I will post some photos when I get the chance.


All on one tree has no effect on taste.

Vaniglia Sanguigno is the worst tasting orange I've ever tasted. It is like all the no acid citrus. I had a 5 gallon bucket of them. After getting over the absent citrus taste, I did drink up the juice anyway. I cut that branch off my blood orange variety tree and it happened to be the biggest branch too. I replaced it with tarocco and discovered it is too late for my area!
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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 6:36 pm

Yeah- I've heard that the Van Sag is pretty bad for most....I just have to try it once. We are coastal, Southern Cal so all the later varieties do best for us. I'm, of course, worried about the earlier ones... Smile
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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 7:50 pm

I can't remember the details but there are two ways that an Orange develops coloration in the pulp. If I remember correctly one needs cold nights to develop and the other doesn't. Of coarse the cold requirement is why it is unreliable to grow that type of blood orange in the coastal region of the SE USA. I believe the Moro develops color the other way since I had it on my acquisition list. Can anyone shed some light on this?

Also how does the taste differ amongst the two?

Here is a good article on blood oranges.

http://www.agmrc.org/commodities__products/fruits/citrus/blood_moro_or_maltese_oranges_industry_profile.cfm

EDIT

I just read that the pigment in blood oranges is anthocyanin and is intensified when the day night temps have a great difference. That is the first way they develop color still acn't remember the second.

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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 8:24 pm

Yes, Charles, I've read that too. I'm sure I won't have a whole lot of luck with Moro but should be OK with the Tarocco...at least from what I've heard from neighbors. Additionally, we are only about 12 miles as the crow flies from Moorpark (birthplace of the Smith Valencia). We aren't on the coast (about 5 miles inland), as much as in a canyon/microclimate.
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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 11:25 pm

My cara cara is red without any cold weather. Not so with the blood oranges. The most they get here in SE Texas before the first fruit ruining freeze is streaks of color. My Sanguinelli had streaks but made nicely red juice with a good flavor. Moro does good here as well but not as much flavor as Sanguinelli.
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Posted: Mon 31 Oct, 2011 11:51 pm

Anthocyanin is the chemical that causes Moro Blood oranges to develop its dark red color. For anthocyanin to develop the red coloration in the fruit it requires cool temperatures. The pink of Cara Cara is caused by the chemical lycopene, which does not require cool temperatures. Because my wife does not like Moro blood oranges, on some years I have kept my Moro inside my year around warm greenhouse. The flesh of a Moro grown warm does not turn red, instead produces the common orange colored flesh of most citrus. A orange flesh Moro's taste is still quite good, but decidedly different than a red blood Moro. - Millet - (441-)
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Posted: Tue 01 Nov, 2011 9:35 pm

Millet nailed it. Lycopene!

I feel kinda stupid that I could not remember that.

Millets comments reminded me that is why I bought the Cara Cara as it doesn't require the temp differences to develop color.

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Posted: Thu 03 Nov, 2011 7:44 pm

And what about the "maltaise semi sanguine"? The ones who have it say the that it is much better than the other sanguines.
But I don't know when it ripens.
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