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		| Laaz Site Owner
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2012 5:28 pm |  
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				| Is there any history of there ever being a variegated Clementine mandarin? I can find no reference of one.  _________________
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		| Sanguinello Gest
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				| Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2012 7:27 pm |  
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				| Yes, I was offered variegated Clementines several times ...  |  | 
	
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		| Laaz Site Owner
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2012 9:23 pm |  
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				| OK, show me facts...  _________________
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		| Sanguinello Gest
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				| Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2012 9:32 pm |  
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				| my words are facts.  |  | 
	
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		| hoosierquilt Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Thu 20 Dec, 2012 10:38 pm |  
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				| Well, now, Sanguinello.        We're not doubting that you've been offered a variegated clementine, I think what Laaz is eluding to, is what is the variety, where did it come from, etc. _________________
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		| Sanguinello Gest
 
 
 
 
 
 
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 2:08 am |  
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				| Such infos you hardly ever get.
 It was a Citrus Sale at one of the biggest nurseries here and there they had a 2 meter big tree which was labeled as Clementine variegated.
 
 Then I saw the variegation.
 It was very weak and only well to see in bright light.
 The ripe fruits did not show a variegation and were small and seedy.
 
 It did not attrack me at all.
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		| Laaz Site Owner
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:01 am |  
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				|  	  | Sanguinello wrote: |  	  | my words are facts. | 
 
 Only in your mind.
 
 Again I ask if there is any history of a variegated Clementine.
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:03 am |  
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				| only in your mind  |  | 
	
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		| Laaz Site Owner
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 10:14 am |  
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				| Think about it for a while! And the next time you will be banned for good.  _________________
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		| igor.fogarasi Moderator
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 12:16 pm |  
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				|  	  | Laaz wrote: |  	  | Think about it for a while! And the next time you will be banned for good. | 
 
 Unfortunately no. I don't remember that I ever heard of any kind of variegation found on clementines. After quite a comprehensive search, the only thing I managed to find was a single pdf document referencing 'Clementina Magnani - Variegated' which later, unfortunately, turned out to be a Camellia species.
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 12:21 pm |  
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				| Thanks Igor. I have searched quite a bit & have found nothing.  _________________
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		| igor.fogarasi Moderator
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 4:20 pm |  
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				| I thought I might give it a second try, and look what I've found. This is a quote from the book of abstracts of 12th International Citrus Congress, held in Valencia, Spain in 2012 (from November 18th - 23rd). So if you ask me, this issue seems to be quite fresh at the moment.
  	  | Quote: |  	  | Three variegated clementine mutants among the M1V3 clementine plants were selected at the Alata
 Horticultural Research Station of Mersin. Three variegated clementine mutants obtained from budwood
 irradiation of 30 gray Gamma ray. Young fruit rind color attractively variegated but fruit rind color variegation
 fades with maturity and mature fruit rind color could easily masquerade as an ordinary clementine. The young
 fruit rind is striped green and orange, but mature fruit rind has ridges. Seed number is 7.5 for variegated
 clementine No.1, 13.07 for variegated clementine No.2, 11.94 for variegated clementine No.3 and 17.54 for
 control clementine plants. Fruit weight are 72.73 g for variegated clementine No.1, 69.27 g for variegated
 clementine No.2, 80.94 g for variegated clementine No.3 and 110.10 g for control clementine plants. Other
 pomological characteristics are as same variegated and control plants.
 
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 Sorry, there were no pics, or at least I couldn't find them. This is the original link to the horticultural research station in Mersin, Turkey website discussing the above mentioned. Translation is provided by Google translate.
 
 Official website (translated): http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=tr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alata.gov.tr%2F%3Fp%3D3755
 
 Their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/AlataBahceKulturleriArastirmaIstasyonu
 
 Obtaining budwood from Turkey is another issue. Mehmet Saygin (MeyerLemon) might be of help.
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 4:40 pm |  
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				| Thanks Igor. No, wood is not possible. I will have to hope one pops up here in the States. Either that or keep planting seed in hopes that I get a variegated one, even though Clems do not come true.  _________________
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 4:51 pm |  
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				| Yes, I'm familiar with law restrictions in the US. Fortunately I may still plan my next vacation, since we don't have such regulations here.    |  | 
	
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		| citrange Site Admin
 
  
  
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				| Posted: Fri 21 Dec, 2012 6:35 pm |  
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				| There certainly is a variegated satsuma. Listed by the French INRA as SRA579 in Corsica and sold by Eisenhut.
 
You may remember Dieter Hach from Berlin. He collected historic and variegated citrus varieties. Unfortunately I have not been able to contact him for some years, but I have many photos of his plants and the plants he came across in other collections. 
 
One of them is Citrus nobilis 'Variegato'. Botanical nobilis/reticulata are dificult to distinguish. Clementine is one of these - so Dieter's photos of variegated nobilis could have been a clementine type. It appears to be taken in a large open garden or botanical garden with labelled plants but I don't know exactly where. Here are some of his photos:
       
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