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valenciaguy Citruholic
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Southern Ontario, Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 1:42 pm |
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I was just wondering what is the best mix to repot citrus in, also my one tree is ver low in iron and i was wondering what beside fert. that can higher the iron levels. I keep putting in more fert. but it only seems to be leping a little. |
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Citrus_canuck Citruholic
Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 276
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 2:22 pm |
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I wouldn't keep adding more fert.... I'd be worried about OVER doing it... it can cause a lot of damage.
Have you looked into an iron chelate... used as a foliar spray? suposedly you can see a difference in a matter of days. adding to the soil takes a bit longer.
Plus, if the soil temp isn't warm enough or the ph is off, the tree may not be able to take up the nutients it needs. all things to check before adding more and more fertizer. You dont want to poison your trees.
I had this problem too. I used the iron chelate as a leaf spray and it did help... but my root zone temp was also too cool, it couldn't take up what it needed to. thankfully thats been taken care of and my plants are all MUCH happier. Took a couple out of the pots to check the rootsa... a ton of new root growth Heat plays such a huge part with the root zone, growing, and unfortunatly, being so north sucks at times. have to do a lot to keep the trees happy |
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valenciaguy Citruholic
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Southern Ontario, Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 2:47 pm |
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Well right now the night temps. dont really go under 20 degrees celcius aroung 68F and i leave it out most of the day so i think the soil is warm enough but not sure. about that spray i have read about and went looking around at every department store and i can't find it!! i will have to go and look at the nusery around here but they don't have a big selection of fert.s and stuff. |
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Citrus_canuck Citruholic
Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 276
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 2:52 pm |
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the iron chelate comes in a powder form, you can use it in the soil or at a much weaker dose as a spray. To my knowledge theres nothing thats spcifically a spray. I got mine at a local greenhouse, about 10.99 for a lifetime supply. its about 2 cups worth... but my god, it will last a forever. I'll never get my collection big enough to use it up.
its an awful smelling powder, super fine... there were 3 brands, all basically the same, but to be safe I got the one more recomended by the greenhouse. |
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Citrus_canuck Citruholic
Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 276
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 2:53 pm |
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I'd be sure to check soil PH before investing money in supplements you may not need |
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valenciaguy Citruholic
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Southern Ontario, Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 2:57 pm |
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When i tested it early and i posted it in another post it was around 5.5-6.0 but i am not sure is that is a good range because no body posted me back |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 3:08 pm |
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5.5 to 6.0 pH is "OK", the best pH is 6.0 to 6.5. However, your soil will be fine for an addition of iron (if the tree isindeed deficient in iron). - Millet |
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valenciaguy Citruholic
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Southern Ontario, Zone 6a
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 3:11 pm |
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OK thanks then, so how would raise the ph and also about the other question i had about the best potting mix what can i use. |
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Patty_in_wisc Citrus Angel
Joined: 15 Nov 2005 Posts: 1842 Location: zone 5 Milwaukee, Wi
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 7:53 pm |
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I never saw powder form of chelated iron. I have a concentrated liquid. _________________ Patty
I drink wine to make other people more interesting
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Citrus_canuck Citruholic
Joined: 23 Feb 2006 Posts: 276
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Posted: Sun 18 Jun, 2006 8:03 pm |
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yep, it comes as a powder too, least thats what the lable says foul smelling icky gold color.
Its a super fine powder, mixes so very easily with water. I only knew iit come in a powdered form. I figured it had to be in liquid form, but everyone insisted, nope, only in powdered.
It was cheap and it works... so no complaints
got the iron problem figured out... NOW to figure out the crinkly leaves its definatly not insect related. I've searched and searched... no bugs believe me I searched like mad |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2006 12:54 am |
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You can easily raise your pH just by using a basic type fertilizer, or you can lower your pH by using an acid type fertilizer. An acid fertilizer is one that the nitrogen source is from an ammonium source( NH4+), or from a urea base. A basic type of fertilizer utilizes a nitrate nitrogen source (NO3-). You can find this information on the label of the fertilizer bag or box. My favorite medium for citrus is CHC/peat, or CHC/coir. However you can also use pine bark, or cedar chips. Just be SURE it is fast draining (one minute or less).- Millet |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2006 11:35 am |
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Millet wrote: | My favorite medium for citrus is CHC/peat, or CHC/coir.... | How is the all coconut chips/coir working out for you?
If I get good performance out of the chc/peat mix I'm thinking of going over to all coconut next as I can get the coir from the same supplier as I get the chc's.
.....Alan. |
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valenciaguy Citruholic
Joined: 24 May 2006 Posts: 340 Location: Southern Ontario, Zone 6a
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Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2006 11:44 am |
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So do you guys buy that mix or make it youself, because right now i have my citrus in just tropical soil mix but from what i read it isn't the best thing. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2006 12:43 pm |
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Alan, I currently have approximately 50 - 60 trees in CHC/peat and all are doing well. At this time they are on their second flush of leaves. The first flush was last February. Our temperatures have been between 90 to 102 for the last couple weeks, and the chips have help with the retention of water in the root zone during this hot period. Some of the medium in the first containers I transplanted into CHC, are now approximately three years old, and the chips are still in good condition, with little degradation. Although wood chips also can work well with assisting good drainage, by the thrid year they would be mostly turned to mush. - Millet |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Mon 19 Jun, 2006 2:09 pm |
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The use of CHC and peat seems to have proven itself by now. What I'd like to know is how your trees in pure coconut products are doing? Coconut husk chips mixed with coconut coir?
Sooner or later someone in my local area is going to start carrying the chips so that I don't have to buy from that place in Orlando. I think I can get the coir locally already.
.....Alan. |
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