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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2010 1:20 pm |
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What is wrong with the new leaves on my Calamondin? At first they were just fine, growing nicely upwards, and then about a week ago they seem to have gone downwards, it looks like the leaves are too heavy for themselves to hold...
Does this have to do with the fact that I repotted this tree when the branches were starting? But they were fine at first!
Here are the pictures. Take a look:
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2010 3:43 pm |
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When I transplant from the ground into pots they droop alittle like that so they might just be alittle stressed.
They might also need some water they look alittle thirsty _________________ South Texas gardener |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Sun 18 Jul, 2010 3:47 pm |
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David. wrote: | When I transplant from the ground into pots they droop alittle like that so they might just be alittle stressed.
They might also need some water they look alittle thirsty |
There is the exact same Calamondin transplanted a week before this one into identical pot, identical medium, and is watered identically to this one, growing next to it on the windowsill, that started growing new branches as well and the leaves are fine... They're already mature.
To me the these leaves don't really seem like they need water, because mostly leaves that need water look dull and dusty, and these look very shiny...
I really don't get it...
ALTHOUGH, my sister kept closing the blinds for a few days during the brightest sun... Could that be it? But, again, the other Calamondin standing next to it is fine... |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Tue 20 Jul, 2010 11:50 am |
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Hm, the other tree seems to be doing the same thing:
What's going on? How can this be fixed?
Right now they're standing on a south facing window. Do I get them out of sun? Is it too much fertilizer?
Please help ! |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 2:03 pm |
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Oh, and also some of the old leaves are turing yellow and falling from both of the trees. What could this be? Any help would be really appreciated!
Millet, maybe you know this one? |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 3:34 pm |
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Millet wrote: | The actual reason why the old leaf has turned yellow, is because the tree has taken back (withdrawn) all of the usable nitrogen from the leaf, before it will discard it. As soon as a citrus leaf know longer "pulls it weight" and is using more energy than it provides the tree, it is quickly discarded. There is no welfare program for old citrus leaves. When the leaf was new, the tree provided the leaf with enough nitrogen for the leaf to grow and become dark green. Now that the leaf has spent it usable life, the tree is taking the nitrogen back, and will again distribute it where it can once again be beneficial to the tree. Nature does not waste anything. - Millet (911-) |
this might do the job |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 3:36 pm |
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danero2004 wrote: | Millet wrote: | The actual reason why the old leaf has turned yellow, is because the tree has taken back (withdrawn) all of the usable nitrogen from the leaf, before it will discard it. As soon as a citrus leaf know longer "pulls it weight" and is using more energy than it provides the tree, it is quickly discarded. There is no welfare program for old citrus leaves. When the leaf was new, the tree provided the leaf with enough nitrogen for the leaf to grow and become dark green. Now that the leaf has spent it usable life, the tree is taking the nitrogen back, and will again distribute it where it can once again be beneficial to the tree. Nature does not waste anything. - Millet (911-) |
this might do the job |
Not really . It's not a mistery why some of the older leaves are falling, but I'm worried about the NEW LEAVES pointing downwards ... |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 3:48 pm |
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Oh, and also here's my fertilizer schedule: I fertilize at a rate of 300 ppm Nitrogen per watering, with a NPK 6+4+6 citrus fertilizer.
I stopped fertilizing for now to see if that helps. |
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mgk65 Citruholic
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 84 Location: WV (Zone 6)
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 4:04 pm |
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How much do you water?
How wet is the soil?
Exactly how much fertilizer do you put in how much water?
Stop fertilizing, and take them out of the sun for a few days and see if that helps. |
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danero2004 Citruholic
Joined: 19 Jun 2009 Posts: 523 Location: Romania Zone 6a
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 4:22 pm |
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well look what I did today
I changed the CHC from Exo terra with one from JBL which have a greater quality and did a mix like this
1 part CHC chips+1 part peat+1part spaghnum moss+0.5 part of perlite (big size)
and surprisingly the leaves were pointed upwards this evening and not horizontally or downwards like few of them this morning
What I wanted to say is maybe they don't lack water but air.Just a supposition |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Thu 22 Jul, 2010 10:12 am |
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mgk65 wrote: | How much do you water?
How wet is the soil?
Exactly how much fertilizer do you put in how much water?
Stop fertilizing, and take them out of the sun for a few days and see if that helps. |
I recently watered them with plain water, to wash out the fertilizer.
I fertilize with a 6+4+6 citrus fert. every watering with 5 ml of fertilizer per 1 litre of water, that makes it 300 ppm Nitrogen per watering. |
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mgk65 Citruholic
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 84 Location: WV (Zone 6)
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Posted: Thu 22 Jul, 2010 1:36 pm |
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Stop watering, stop fertilizing, remove from sun.
The next time you water should be when the soil is dry (not dust!).
Get a wooden dowel or stick, push into soil. If stick feels damp, wait another day. |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Fri 23 Jul, 2010 4:05 pm |
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Well, normally I don't stay too long at home, where these Calamondins are located, but now that I am, I can totally see why this is happening! Right now it's +35C(+95F) in the room perpetually! Good God! Can you imagine what's going on on a south facing window during these heat waves? I immediately removed the trees away from the windowsill, a few feet away from direct sunlight. Hopefully the shadow helps.
And if the shadow does help, how do I get them back on the windowsill when it cools down a little bit? Do I do it gradually, by, say, putting them each day a half hour longer than the previous day on the windowsill? |
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mgk65 Citruholic
Joined: 08 Feb 2010 Posts: 84 Location: WV (Zone 6)
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Posted: Fri 23 Jul, 2010 7:37 pm |
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I think if you moved them closer over a period of a couple of weeks they would be fine. |
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Evaldas Citruholic
Joined: 30 Jan 2010 Posts: 303 Location: Vilnius, Lithuania, Zone 5
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Posted: Sun 25 Jul, 2010 5:17 pm |
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A little update. Here's how the trees look today, after they've been in a shadow for some time:
Comparing to the last pictures of both trees I posted I can see pretty good improvement on the tree that is standing on the right. The left one is still a mess .
As you can see I removed all of the fruit from the left tree, because they were old and very soft, and I was hoping it would help the tree a little.
To me both tree leaves look healthy, dark green, shiny, don't show iron chlorosis, any deficiences, but the leaves on the left tree feel pretty thin, compared to the older leaves, that the tree grew while it was still in the nursery. It's like comparing cardboard to toilet paper... Maybe it's because they've started growing only like a month ago and will get thicker? The leaves on the other tree seem thicker, but also not as thick as the nursery grown leaves.
Despite the improvement of the right tree, I'd still love my Calamondins' leaves growing in such manner:
But I guess you get such leaf growth under full sun outside, huh?
Also the old leaves keep on getting yellow and dropping.
Any more advice? |
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