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BrianL



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Posted: Wed 14 Jan, 2009 7:33 am

Just wondering if it's possible to grow any variety in a container.

I saw some bareroot fuyu persimmons when I was buying some thornless blackberries today. Was extremely tempted. It's something that I've been tempted by in the past, but I am really partial to containers since I have a lot of wasted space with a deck at my parents house, plus if I move I can always take them with me.

I'm in the Bay Area, CA.
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan, 2009 5:18 pm

Fuyo persimmons are not big of a plant. I've seen in the nursery that they have fruits in a 15 gallon pot and I have 4 matured persimmons over 25 years old and they are not even 12 feet in height and the trunk is not even close to 10" diameter which are giving me umphh amount of fruit year after year.
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Posted: Wed 14 Jan, 2009 11:03 pm

I've read where they are testing out some rootstocks that dwarf the oriental persimmon somewhat and using diospyros rhombifolia interstocks to dwarf the oriental persimmon. I think Fuyu is a pretty small oriental persimmon cultivar on its own without the use of dwarfing stocks.
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Posted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 3:10 am

Here's 2 of my fuyos that's over 25 years old

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BrianL



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Posted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 5:04 am

Would a persimmon respond well to pruning to keep it below a certian size? I'm not going to try and cut it down to 3 feet or anything.

What type of container might I need say for the first 5 years? (Thanks for the info on the nursery.) The trees are about "man size" in length with the roots. There are half wine barrels on sale at a Long's Drug
store near here.

Would it be difficult to graft different persimmon varieties on a tree? (Pardon my persimmon ignorance if this is a stupid question.)

Is there any smaller variety then fuyu? (Funny thing is I actually don't like the fruits so much, but my animals love them. More into pomegranates myself. Wink )
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Posted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 11:40 am

You are the first one I know who does not like Fuyo persimmons. It is the Hachiya variety that you need to make the fruit soft before you can eat it. Fuyo is such that once it turns yellow you can eat it hard and you don't have to wait till it turns soft. You can eat it like an apple or better still peel the skin off before eating it.
It commands price in stores. Over a dollar a pound. Yet you can grow them very easily. I don't use fertilizer and doesn't have many insect enemies.
I don't know any other Japanese variety that's smaller than Fuyo except maybe chocolate but I had some fruit last year in my new graft that bore fruit the same year but I harvested it prematurely so it did not taste good.
Grafting persimmons takes a special technique. If you don't know you may have a 100 % failure.
Start with the easy plants first like grafting pears, apples and plums. Once you get the hang of it then you can try Fuyo.
A friend of mine who is an expert (Joe Real) had a hard time grafting persimmons over the years. He tried grafting persimmons but they were more than 50 % failure until one of his colleagues showed him the technique.
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Posted: Thu 15 Jan, 2009 11:51 am

I treat my persimmons like my citrus.
Don't put your Fuyo in an oversize container if the trunk is still very small. It is better to have the roots spread all over the pot than have more soil soggy because of no activity between roots and the medium.
Observe how big the pots in plant nurseries how big the plants are at certain pot sizes.
Too big of a pot will give you problems in the long run.
I don't think pruning to a certain degree will affect the growth of your persimmons except that it will affect how much fruit it will bear the next year.
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BrianL



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Posted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 5:14 am

Guess I might as well try it. Found some articles about growing them in containers and the minimum size, but everything but the abstract is in Japanese.

It's not that I don't like them, I just didn't have the same WOW factor I did when I had my first Quince or Pomegranate.
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Posted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 12:17 pm

I have not grown one to maturity, but Ichi-Ki-Kei-Jiro is often touted as being dwarf. I see it advertised a number of places, including Just Fruits and Exotics. I am sure someone else here has more experience with this particular variety.

http://www.justfruitsandexotics.com/Persimmons.htm

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Posted: Fri 16 Jan, 2009 6:32 pm

Fuyu is the most popular Persimmon. Growing in a container, a Fuyu should not become very large, as containers have a difinate dwarfing effect. Even in the ground Fuyu is a rather small tree. BTW Benny recently sent me a box of his Fuyu Persimmons. They were excellent, and were a hit with the family. Thanks Benny. - Millet
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