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Stan McKenzie
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Posted: Mon 22 Oct, 2007 9:44 am

I found this small bunch of bananas recently growing on one of the small trees.. Not much I know but quite an accomplishment after having a 24F freeze in mid April! Banana pudding will be served for Sunday dinner in the near future, limit one teaspoon per customer! Smile

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Davidmac
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Posted: Sun 11 Nov, 2007 12:59 am

Hi Stan,
How did the bananas taste? Hope they were good like the 'Ice Cream' bananas that I tried last Sunday. Here are a couple of shots of a tall fruiting banana growing at Dorothy Oven Park in Tallahassee,FL-one of the workers said that they are cooking bananas (plantains).


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Stan McKenzie
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Posted: Sun 11 Nov, 2007 10:33 am

David, I havent tried them yet. They are still on the tree!

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Laaz
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Posted: Sun 11 Nov, 2007 11:12 am


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Posted: Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:40 pm

One of my Ice cream bananas decided to bloom, way too late in the season now...


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JoeReal
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Posted: Thu 15 Nov, 2007 12:50 pm

Laaz,

If you search for our discussion secret, it is never too late. There is a way to preserve that bloom through the entire winter and have it resume fruit filling next season, provided that your zone will make it possible for your pseudostem to survive the winter ordeal.

I'll post the link to our banana secret once I found it.

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JoeReal
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Posted: Thu 15 Nov, 2007 1:12 pm

Here it is, and the content:

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I thought the overwintering of fruits can't be done. But Benny and I have witnessed how the California Gold survived the Arctic Blast this year and went on to develop plump fruits for Benny. The California Gold bloomed in November. It was dugged out from Antioch in December and planted at Benny's yard. Then was covered in canvas the whole winter to protect against the upcoming Arctic Blast. Benny was discouraged and wanted to cut it down after the blast, but I protested and followed my advice on what to do. Now we have a true-to-life banana bloom that has survived near 20 deg F prolonged freezing nights, and the fruit is now ready, unless Benny wants it ripened on the plant. Based on those experiences, here is a modified procedure that I am going to do this coming winter. I too have a late fruiting Dwarf Brazilian, and below would be exciting to try out:


At the end of summer, stop removing any dead leaves or dead sheaths from your bananas. Any dried material would help as insulation or frost cover.

Now follow the minimum temperature forecasts religiously when it starts to dip below 40 deg F. Watch out for the first forecasted frost of the season. Frost can form when minimum temperature is 38 deg F, on clear, windless nights. But when there is cloud cover during the night, frost seldom form even at 30 deg F. Anyway, at least 2 nights before the forecasted frost, prepare your fruiting banana stalk as follows:

Take the three to four nearest leaves and bend them to wrap the bloom or young fruit bunch and tie securely with twine or garden tie. Then wrap Christmas tree lights around the trunk, and up to the leaves that you wrap around the fruiting bunch. As many Christmas lights you can wrap. Then wrap drape over the bundled leaves and the trunk a floating row cover, secure with garden tie. Then drape over the whole banana plant a plastic sheet and secure it so that it will not get blown away by the wind. Turn on the Christmas lights between midnight to 1 hour past sunrise using an outdoor type timer (from Home Depot), or whenever there is freezing temperature. If there is extended frost forecast, you will have to drape the banana with a canvas and secure it around the whole clump.

Cover the base of the banana with dried leaves, and then drape over plastic sheets over them to drain away the rainwater. You have to keep the banana roots dry so that they will remain dormant during the winter.

Come spring time, when minimum temperature consistently stay above 40 deg F and maximum temperature stays above 65 deg F, untie everything, remove the covers. You would have saved some leaves and they should stayed green if the minimum temperature during the entire ordeal did not go below 26 deg F. Later, when maximum temperature consistently reach over 70 deg F, remove all the dead parts from the stems, take out the dead leaves to encourage whole plant photosynthesis. Even if you lost all your leaves, the fruiting bunch or the bloom should have stayed alive. Even without a single leaf, by removing all the dead outer sheaths from the pseudostem, there will be enough photosynthesis so that your fruits will develop and will become plump, even if slowly. And by Fall, they should be ready for harvest and then you can ripen them inside the house if they haven't ripened on the plant.
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Posted: Thu 15 Nov, 2007 1:56 pm

To add:
I had 2 yellow ripped bananas that I plucked and atefrom my California gold.
Ummm... so sweet!
Thanks Joe for the good advice to let those CG be. Had it not for you I would have cut it that long a time ago.


Laaz:
The clarity of the picture and the banana flowers are awesome!

Benny
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Posted: Fri 16 Nov, 2007 2:04 pm

Joe:
A while back you posted how you protect your bananas in the ground. I believe you said that you let the leaves dry out with the plant since they serve as a protection to the P-stem and something else.
Please elaborate. How do you protect the P-stem more ?
I read at banana forum that they cut the P-stem about a foot from the ground and protect it with dry leaves.
I am now confused just what to follow.
I have 2 bananas planted in the ground , 3 feet Belle, 4 feet (I don't know the variety but I bought this at Home Depot and already tall) .

Benny
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JoeReal
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Posted: Fri 16 Nov, 2007 2:21 pm

bencelest wrote:
Joe:
A while back you posted how you protect your bananas in the ground. I believe you said that you let the leaves dry out with the plant since they serve as a protection to the P-stem and something else.
Please elaborate. How do you protect the P-stem more ?
I read at banana forum that they cut the P-stem about a foot from the ground and protect it with dry leaves.
I am now confused just what to follow.
I have 2 bananas planted in the ground , 3 feet Belle, 4 feet (I don't know the variety but I bought this at Home Depot and already tall) .

Benny


Cutting the banana down to a stump will dramatically reduce your chances of fruiting. It is a practice done by people in a lot colder zones than us. It allows easier covering with dried leaves to protect the stump in a wire cage to survive the freezing winter. To them, bananas primarily serve as ornamental. Producing fruits are for those who are willing to dig them out, over winter in non-freezing basement (remember Frank with a cart load of bananas? see post at banana forum about putting bananas to sleep), and then replanting the whole thing in the ground come spring time. The pseudostems are never cut.

So contextualize based on what the hobbyists goals are, survival versus fruit production in various zones.

As for me Benny, I am pressed for time, having 350 other non-banana cultivars to take care of, so the minimal thing to do while still having fruits, I'm all for it. I don't want to dig the bananas out, nor rearrange my garage so that to store them during the winter. What survives by letting them be, or in worst case of freeze, drape over some canvas and other tricks is what I would resort to. That is why it is extremely important for me to know which bananas will be hardy at their pseudostem in our zone. If the pseudostem rots away, or if you cut it down, it will not produce harvestable fruits, only very rarely. And I want consistent production yearly.

I regularly pass by several banana clumps in our city, and those that practiced cutting the bananas down to the stump, they have consistently the worst looking clump in our area.
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bencelest
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Posted: Fri 16 Nov, 2007 2:48 pm

Ah! Thanks Joe.
Now it is clearer to me just what I'll do.
I have now a very good idea how to protect my bananas.
Thanks!
Benny
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