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ilyaC
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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 8:01 am

Hello,
I have a nice surprise this year when my "5 star" improved Swingle that I got 9 years ago from Bernhardt Voss in Hamburg not only flowered but gave a decent harvest.
It is from seedling budwood on poncirus and as far as I know the first time this clone is giving fruits.
The bush itself is 2m high, evergreen and never has shown any winter damage. I am not covering it and the last winter it withstood three weeks of frozen ground with one night of -16C with -12C for the following day.
The fruits have the smell of grapefruit without a hint of trifoliata. The juice ( 20 ml) is as acid as lemon, good smell, but when swallowed have some distant aftertaste of poncirus.
I gave it to several persons to taste and they all have opinion that it is a very good aromatic juice resembling grapefruit and lemon. I personally think that is as good as Thomasville as a substitute of the lemon.

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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 9:40 am

I guess these are Swingle Citrumelos? Nice to see some photos of the fruits.
My citrumelo hasn't flowered yet, so no fruits either.

What does "5 star improved" refer to?



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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 9:45 am

Marc,
"5star" is how B.Voss calls this variety. As far as I know it is exceptionally vigorous monoebryonic seedling of Swingle citrumelo. Fruits as you see are indeed very different from original Swingle.

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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 10:08 am

Congratulations on your first harvest of this variety! It sounds very interesting. Is this a hybrid of swingle citrumelo and lemon? Can you use the juice as a lemon substitute or does the hint of poncirus spoil it?
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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 10:25 am

I guess it is open pollinated monoembryonic seedling of Swingle. So only mother is known for sure, father could be either Swingle itself or any other citrus in his greenhouse. Extreme hardiness probably points to self pollination by Swingle.
Fruit has a very good smell, juice is also aromatic, somewhere between grapefruit and lemon with grapefruit like bitter note.
Poncirin like note is very distant and only after swallowing, not unpleasant like in most citranges and citrumelos.

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Posted: Fri 24 Dec, 2010 1:18 pm

Ilya,
congratulation! Great Christmas present from the nature. Wink
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Posted: Sat 25 Dec, 2010 12:07 pm

ilyaC wrote:
I guess it is open pollinated monoembryonic seedling of Swingle. So only mother is known for sure, father could be either Swingle itself or any other citrus in his greenhouse. Extreme hardiness probably points to self pollination by Swingle.
Fruit has a very good smell, juice is also aromatic, somewhere between grapefruit and lemon with grapefruit like bitter note.
Poncirin like note is very distant and only after swallowing, not unpleasant like in most citranges and citrumelos.

Wow! It's really very interesting! How I undestand that's just clone which You given to me through graft. Yes, the yield are unlike with fruits of hybrid Swingle and outwardly surprisingly identity with the grapefruit.
I think, and I want to hope, this is full-fledged F2 hybrid, which contain just 1/4 of trifoliata. May be will You tell about the beauty also at the "ÏðîÄâèíóòàÿ..."?
Merry Christmas.
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Posted: Sat 25 Dec, 2010 2:40 pm

Forwatd,
Yes indeed, it is the same plant that I rooted for you.
If it is monoemryonic from self pollination one can expect that resulting population on average should have the same proportion as citrumelo (50%) of poncirus and grapefruit. But individual plants could have between 0 and 100% of poncirus genes.

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Posted: Sat 25 Dec, 2010 3:40 pm

ilyaC wrote:
Forwatd,
Yes indeed, it is the same plant that I rooted for you.
If it is monoemryonic from self pollination one can expect that resulting population on average should have the same proportion as citrumelo (50%) of poncirus and grapefruit. But individual plants could have between 0 and 100% of poncirus genes.

How many years the plant has been in blossom but not has born, what are the causes it?
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Posted: Sun 26 Dec, 2010 3:56 pm

What you wrote about taste of friuts reminds me of what I heard about "Trifoliate" which is aswell listet in Bernhard Voss' stock.
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Posted: Mon 03 Jan, 2011 6:43 pm

Today I found six first germinations from these seeds. Amazingly, but all are apparently monoembryonic which means that they probably are coming from the true pollination.



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Posted: Mon 03 Jan, 2011 8:04 pm

ilyaC, by "true pollination" I take it you mean by self pollination. This posting has been very interesting and quite instructional, thanks. - Millet (742-)
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Posted: Tue 04 Jan, 2011 5:42 pm

You are right. Thank you Millet.

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