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catlikethief



Joined: 08 Nov 2007
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Location: Portland Oregon

Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 9:39 pm

Is there a store that sells California Mandarin trees , you know the cuties they sell in the stores?
I found a few seeds in the ones I ate last week. I can only imagine it would take close to forever to grow a tree bearing fruit.

Also, I came across strange brown makings on my tangerine tree.
It appears on the baby fruit, bottoms of old leaves and the tops of the newer leaves.
I took samples of all that i could to my local nursery and they are stumped. It wasn't mildew,bugs or poop. In none of their citrus books could they find it either. The best they could suggest was iron deficiency. When I bought the tree it was potted in only coconut fiber, I've since switched it's medium and over watering is not an issue. Soil temp is at 65-75f. and they get good lighting.

My camera is having issues, this is the best I can offer. It seems to be on a few other citrus plants as well. I had a problem with snails a few weeks ago so i sprayed two times with safer soap.

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JoeReal
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Location: Davis, California

Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 9:47 pm

We have many retail stores that sells different types of mandarin trees, even WalMart. But we're here in California.

Perhaps you can try www.raintreenursery.com, they should have citrus in their online catalog. They are near the border to Oregon from Washington. Here's a listing of their citruses and related products: http://www.raintreenursery.com/catalog/producttype.cfm?producttype=CITR

I wouldn't be concerned about such brown markings for now.
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catlikethief



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Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 10:20 pm

Thank you for such a speedy reply. I guess I shouldn't be too worried about the spots. The tree hasn't lost a single leaf and I've managed to re-pot it twice in the span of three weeks.

I don't think I made much sense with my first question. How/where can I find a tree that grows these. I'm assuming it's a specific kind of Clementine?
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Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 10:27 pm

Yes, those most probably are Clemenules, a type of Clementine that originated from Spain, or are called Spanish Clementine, or Mandarina, or Clementine Nules.

I have one dedicated tree of that one and several grafted ones on my other multigrafted trees too. If you know how to graft, we can send some budwoods if it is legal for you to get them.

These cultivar is rarely found in the big box stores, and to my knowledge, none yet. I can find them in some local nurseries that have special collections. So you will have to graft them or order from special nurseries.

Another approach is that you can order custom graft of these clemenules from http://www.fourwindsgrowers.com/variety_list.html
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catlikethief



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Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 10:58 pm

I would take you up on your offer but I have no idea how to graft, thank you though!

I sent an e-mail to site you listed =)

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Linda
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JoeReal
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Posted: Mon 19 Nov, 2007 11:11 pm

You're Welcome Linda. If you are a citrus collector, learning how to graft is a huge savings. Navigate this forum and there are very easy to follow grafting demonstrations, tutorials and various testimonies. Be cautioned that grafting can become quite addictive.
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Millet
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Joined: 13 Nov 2005
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 11:31 am

Joe, a question: doesn't the variety Clemenule, which is a Clementine grown in the area of the city Nules, only have that name because of the city. In actuality isn't it just a Fina Sodia, Marisol or whatever variety that is grown in the groves around Nules. In other words, I believe that they probably only gave it the name to set their clementines apart of their competition.
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bencelest
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 12:16 pm

I have one tree and guess where I got it from?
And I have several grafted to other citrus and rootstocks.
I like it so much I want it to multiply it on several places in my yard.
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JoeReal
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 12:39 pm

Millet wrote:
Joe, a question: doesn't the variety Clemenule, which is a Clementine grown in the area of the city Nules, only have that name because of the city. In actuality isn't it just a Fina Sodia, Marisol or whatever variety that is grown in the groves around Nules. In other words, I believe that they probably only gave it the name to set their clementines apart of their competition.


Millet, it could be true. But from my research notes, here's what's in my personal database. I will have to take note of the possibilities you mentioned.

"It originated as a spontaneous mutation of Fina clementine, detected in 1953 in Nules (Castellón de la Plana). This tree is vigorous and the fruit obtain good size. This variety is seedless, it harvest mid to late. This variety of clementine is considered to be one of the best clementines for sweetness and flavor. It has an excellent quality of fruit, the tree is long lived and productive. Clementines are generally more densely foliated than some other varieties, with long pointed leaves. The tree is vigorous but is ideal for those with limited space as it can be maintained as a small bush but still bear many fruit. The seedless and juicy fruits can be harvested after November. It is the most widely planted variety of mandarins in Chile and now in California. Overall Nules is the best variety of clementines grown in Chile, although it has problems. In some years trees tends to have a very uneven bloom, the fruit looses acidity relatively quickly after full maturity and fruit is prone to puffiness."
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delnorte



Joined: 14 Nov 2007
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Location: Fremont,CA

Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 4:18 pm

California Cutie is a trademarked name used to identify seedless Clementine mandarins. It is not a variety of citrus. Using the Cutie name allows growers to harvest any type of Clementine without having to identify the cultivars specifically. JOEREAL is right to guess that they could be Clemenules, but I don’ think that this is always the case.

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JoeReal
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 4:44 pm

Aaron is correct. My wife got a box of cutie after we ran out of Miho from our trees. My golly, it was on the sour side, so I don't think that particular box was a clemenule. It could be other types of clementines, but definitely not Algerian nor clemenules. But most likely if they are sweeter, I could bet that they are clemenules. But there are boxes that specifically states California Clementine Nules, like those from CostCo.

Trademark name is different than patents. Any grower can trademark a name for a cultivar that they grow and anybody can propagate that cultivar but not call it the same trademarked name. A patented cultivar cannot be asexually propagated without permission or licensing from patent holders regardless of the trademark naming used.
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catlikethief



Joined: 08 Nov 2007
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 4:51 pm

Thank you JoeReal & delnorte. I see I have a lot to learn about the citrus industry, it's all very interesting! Wink


-Linda
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Millet
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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 6:47 pm

I think a lot of of Cuties are Afourer. California Cuties became available in Colorado stores this week. I purchased a box, they are not very sweet at all. In fact they do not have much taste. I still hold the Spanish Clementines are still the very best.
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catlikethief



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Posted: Tue 20 Nov, 2007 6:57 pm

Thats interesting Millet, Cuties showed up in stores here late last week and are very sweet. Matter of fact my husband and I ate two boxes last night they were so good!
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