CFACT went to the World Climate Change Conference currently taking place in Doha, Qutar to show (with humor) the type of people who would actually attend this conference. - Millet

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlXAbi7RSBU&feature=player_embedded

I hope (but doubt) that they spoke with a hundred people to get those clips, because that was pretty sad. A lot of the comments under the clip were also just as sad. I'm a conservative Republican oil burning American chemical engineer who doesn't get it when people say the world isn't warming year over year? For me it's like arguing that the sky isn't blue. Those folks should stick to arguing about the role of CO2 versus sun cycle or what not.
Millet, I know you feel very strongly about this and you're a bright guy, so if you could do me the favor of posting a link or links to sites that refute the human role in climate change I'll eagerly read them. All the sites I've found have been completely non-rigorous...just trying to create doubt by dropping isolated facts. Please don't post those sorts of sites... something with an intelligent systems analysis approach...energy in, energy out sort of thing.
I blame Al Gore for most of this....politicizing this is a sin.
This year smashed the previous record ice out extent in the Arctic which created an ice free navigable route through the Arctic. The open Arctic water also allowed for the pressure front across Greenland that produced Sandy's 90 degree turn into NJ. It's important to get this right.

Maybe this can help:
http://neven1.typepad.com/blog/

Greg:

You didn't ask me, but I thought I would respond....

I have similar political leanings as you.

I do believe that while man may affect the climate to some extent, I do not believe that we affect it in any material manner.

Weather is not climate change. There have been hotter periods during the past couple of thousand years, i.e. during the Medieval Warm Period, when Greenland actually had farming.

Unfortunate as it is, there have been worse hurricanes than Sandy in the past.

There have been worse droughts in the US that we had this year.

Let me ask you, do you believe in ice ages? What happens in between ice ages?

If it were not for climactic global warming since the last ice age (20-12,500 years ago), where would humanity be?

Will there be another ice age in 5-15,000 years?

In the early part of the 19th century, before widespread industrialization (i.e. CO2), arctic sea ice had decreased to what we had in the late 2000s.

In our increasingly instant gratification society, we seem to have to point to something to blame and take immediate action. There are a lot of wheels in the equation for climate change, and CO2 is but a single part of a multivariable equation. In my opinion, a very negligible part.

For less hysterical and more balanced science news on climate change I like to read http://wattsupwiththat.com/

Let me end by saying that I believe in recycling, conservation, and punishing true abusers of the environment, but not the economy stifling rules and regulations from the current EPA.

Thanks guys, I'll get reading.

BTW...I understand our history of climate change. Living in Maine the signs of glaciation are there to be seen. If it weren't for the relatively brief interglacial periods like the one we're currently in where would we be...not likely up here in Maine!!! The majority of folks were probably living near the coast which is now 4-500' under water. I think I read that the amount of land that went underwater when the ice sheets melted off North America and Europe equals the size of Europe and China combined...if so it doesn't seem like the amount of ice free land available changed much. I'd guess that people were quite happy in that time's climate and will be again when we go back to it, but the transition is probably pretty tough. Any how, I'll start plugging away on my reading assignments. Appreciated.

My opinion means squat on climate change, brain surgery, Chinese grammar, Relativity, and any number of other subjects that I have never studied or have the prerequisite knowledge to understand.

If the majority of experts who have spent years studying something tell me something is true, then I would feel like a hypocrite to challenge them based on feelings, political leanings, personal bias,etc.


I have to admit though, I think burning long dead plants and animals to make energy seems a bit cave-manish.

If you don't think the people attending the World Conference On Climate Change in Qutar can't possibly get even more screwy, think again. See this video of the type of people at the World Climate Conference. (Thanks to CFACT) - Millet

http://us1.forward-to-friend2.com/forward/show?u=87b74a936c723115dfa298cf3&id=32fed29210

Millet, that video just goes to prove God wired us up to be pretty diverse in thought!!! Reminds me of the Occupy Wallstreet folks...maybe the same people? So much energy and cash.....result?

Ivica, thanks for the link...in case something got lost in the translation, I feel pretty much the same as cristofre (not the cavemanish part though). I'm looking for sites like the one that mgk65 sent just to try and understand the opposing view. mgk65, it'll take a while to get through this all...but without looking at issues from both sides the arguments always seem to get pretty unbalanced. Some interesting info, thanks. For now I'll keep heating my house in the winter by making tons of charcoal in my woodstove that I bury in my gardens to improve the soil drainage. Balancing my family's carbon emissions isn't really all that hard. Probably because we heat our house 6 months a year up here!