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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 11:38 am |
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I did some t budding and instead of the normal leaves coming out first it has flower buds coming out. Do I wait till they open to take them off or leave them and leaves are sure to come out after the flowers[/url] _________________ South Texas gardener |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 11:46 am |
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Flowers came out because the bud on the stick that you removed the bud from had already differentiated from a floral bud into a flower bud. If the bud had been taken from the second to the last flush, the bud would have been a foliar bud. - Millet (958-) |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 2:44 pm |
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Millet, Does that mean that there is no chance of another bud maturing at that location and being vegetative? I am thinking of the cases where you have multiple branches at one location. Is the site of that bud, once differentiated, destined to only produce flowers?
I ask because on a tree that I have that suffered root rot, I have stabilized the tree (I think), and am waiting for vegetative growth, however most of the bud locations have already experienced flowering from stress. Are all of those locations destined to only be flowering locations, or can a secondary bud from that same location come to maturity and produce leaves/branches?
Thank you for your insight. Barbara |
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 3:30 pm |
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Exact question I wanted to get across.
Thx Barbara I didn't know how to word it. _________________ South Texas gardener |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 5:09 pm |
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Barbara, your tree has many other types of buds available to regenerate your tree.
Adventitious buds: occurring elsewhere, for example on trunk or on roots, axillary ones reduced and hidden under the bark, other adventitious buds are completely new formed ones.
Accessory buds: secondary buds formed besides a principal bud (axillary or terminal.
Resting buds: buds that form at the end of a growth season, which will lie dormant until onset of the next growth season.
Dormant buds: buds whose growth has been delayed for a rather long time, different from resting, rather employed for buds waiting undeveloped for years.
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 7:01 pm |
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Millet wrote: | Flowers came out because the bud on the stick that you removed the bud from had already differentiated from a floral bud into a flower bud. If the bud had been taken from the second to the last flush, the bud would have been a foliar bud. - Millet (958-) |
so this bud can't produce vegetative growth only flowers? _________________ South Texas gardener |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 10:32 pm |
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The particular bud that has already produced only a flower, and has failed to produce foliage is done. - (957-) |
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 10:58 pm |
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Damn I have like 10 multigrafted combo trees and 75 kumquat trees I grafted and most of the kumquats are shooting flowers.
What a waste of money and time. I guess I'm gonna need a refund from my citrus center, for all the kumquats I grafted.
Only the kumquats are doing this.
Man I'm mad now _________________ South Texas gardener |
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 11:12 pm |
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Do you agree on a refund millet? _________________ South Texas gardener |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 11:12 pm |
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Thanks, Millet. I am encouraged.
Sorry about the news to you, David. Were any of those kumquats Meiwa? I guess it doesn't much matter now. I hope the rootstock is still usable.
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David. Citruholic
Joined: 09 Nov 2009 Posts: 400 Location: San Benito , Texas
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Posted: Wed 02 Jun, 2010 11:42 pm |
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Yeah all of them were meiwa Barbara.
No one had any for sale here in south Texas or were they grafting them.
Edit : My muti budded trees that have kumquat are ruined because I forced them by chopping of the top. ( hopefully it rebuds from other buds).
All of my rootstock plants are good I'll just regraft higher. But what a waste of my time and labor.
They should know what they are doing there, selling me this budwood. _________________ South Texas gardener |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 12:54 am |
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David I still think the buds are toast, butl it seems unusual that it is only the kumquats that have produced nothing but flowers. I have grafted many citrus varieties, but I have never personally grafted kumquats. A unique feature of kumquats are that they go "dormant" very deeply and therefore require an extended period of heat to begin producing new growth. Kemquats begin to produce new growth very late in the spring, or early summer, long after other citrus varieties have already finished. Just in case this could be the cause of the problem for all your kumquat buds, I would leave them alone for another month to be 100 percent sure that they will not produce foliage. You can also telephone your supplier, and ask them for their advice. Let us know what you find out. - Millet (957-) |
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Skeeter Moderator
Joined: 23 Jul 2006 Posts: 2218 Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9
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Posted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 11:03 am |
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I would certainly give them time to produce some foliar growth. Each leaf base on my Miewa has a flower on it right now--the tree is almost white. If a flower bud meant that there was no other bud there--the tree would not be able to grow except from the tip--it could never branch. I can assure you there are foliar buds there as well. _________________ Skeet
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 12:08 pm |
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Lets hope Skeet is correct. Personally, I have never seen a growth flush start out as just a flower, but rather always started out with foliage. After the foliage grew a bit some flower buds appear ON the new foliage growth. Anyway, as Skeet also recommends, the wise coarse is to wait and see, especially because of the number of kumquats you have budded. - Millet (956-) |
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bastrees Citruholic
Joined: 16 Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Location: Southeastern PA
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Posted: Thu 03 Jun, 2010 1:38 pm |
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Good luck, David, and I hope time is on your side. Meiwa is awesome, I may have to figure out a way to get one of those trees if it works out. Please keep us updated.
Barbara |
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