Citrus Growers Forum

dauben · Posted: Fri 01 Jan, 2010 3:33 pm

I'm looking at starting to collect rootstocks and scions for trees other than citrus. Is anyone aware of any commercial sources. I know there's a budwood exchange coming up at our local CRFG meeting, but I don't have much to offer in exchange from my small trees. I'm doing okay with rootstocks for apple, peach, and plum at RainTree Nursery, but scions seem a bit harder to find.

Many thanks to Joe Real for providing me with scions of most of what I have growing right now.

Thanks,
Phillip

turtleman · Posted: Fri 01 Jan, 2010 8:23 pm

What is it your looking for specifically?

I'm in the process of pruning the nursery and collecting wood for next bud season..

dauben · Posted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 2:18 am

turtleman wrote:

What is it your looking for specifically?

I'm in the process of pruning the nursery and collecting wood for next bud season..

Hi Turtleman,
I was actually looking for scions of the ones you suggested (Red Barron and Tropic Gold). I have a Lovell Peach rootstock on order and a Marianna 2624 in the yard. I don't know if the Mariana 2624 is compatable with the Tropic Gold cot, but if not, I was going to try to harvest some of the plum scions from the tree at the house where we used to live that Joe Real had sent last year (Beauty, shiro, and a couple of others), but I don't know if the new tenants have maintained the trees with the water restrictions in California. Any suggestions?

As far as apples go, I'm looking for low chill. Joe sent Fuji, Golden Dorsett, and Winter Banana last year. I'm using the Winter Banana as an interstock right now for my 2 apple trees I started last season except for a third Budagovsky 9 where the Winter Banana didn't take. I've got that growing still and another Antanovka on order. I was thinking about finding Anna and Einshemer, but am open to suggestions that are productive and vigorous. Although not low chill, I've thought about giving Honeycrisp a try and use some of the tricks discussed on this forum to trick it into thinking it's had more chill hours than it's really had.

I also have a OHxF 513 Pear rootstock on order. I'm thinking about Warren and one other grafted onto the same tree for cross polination.

Anyway, my main goal right now is now that I have a few acres, is to avoid purchasing all of the produce our growing family eats. I'm topworking my grapefruit trees and have a couple of Page mandarins, a USDA 88-2, Tarocco Blood Orange, and a meyer lemon. I'm also looking for Emerald Blueberries and started looking at Pomegranates after reading this month's Fruit Gardener (maybe Eversweet). Nut trees will be further down the road also.

Thanks,
Phillip

Helix · Posted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 2:38 am

The last two years I have gone to the CRFG scion exchange in Sacramento. That is where I met Joe Real. You don't have to bring anything. They have hundreds of different scions for every kind of fruit tree except citrus. Last year they even had about 6 types of pomegranates cuttings to root. Bring some blue tape and a marker to write names and some plastic bags so they don't dry out. Make contact with your local CFRG and ask for more info.

Helix

dauben · Posted: Sat 02 Jan, 2010 3:18 am

Helix wrote:

The last two years I have gone to the CRFG scion exchange in Sacramento. That is where I met Joe Real. You don't have to bring anything. They have hundreds of different scions for every kind of fruit tree except citrus. Last year they even had about 6 types of pomegranates cuttings to root. Bring some blue tape and a marker to write names and some plastic bags so they don't dry out. Make contact with your local CFRG and ask for more info.

Helix

Thanks Helix, that's good to know. It's nice that there's such a great group of hobbiests that go out of their way to share with those who don't have much to offer. Even with what I do have which is mostly citrus, since I'm now in the citrus phsyllid quarantine area I'm not sure if I would be allowed to bring them without some form of inspection.

Phillip

turtleman · Posted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 1:40 pm

The Red Barron and Tropic Gold Cot's I have and can send you the bud wood, just go to my web sites forum and leave me a PM with your address. Look over everything I have on the site and I can send you wood for it. As far as the Marianna root goes ,, it's all I grow Cots on. as far as the other stone types, why Lovell? If it's the dwarfing your looking for check out Krymsk instead.. Currently were the only Propagator that is doing field test on Krymsk for growing in the low deserts, so far they've been promising.
I'd stay off the Bud 9 for Apples in your area, kick over to M-27 instead, just support the tree.
With the Pears in your area try to stay with the Asian types and I'd suggest Not putting anything on Old Home crossed Farmingdale ,, it's subject to pear decline and blight, (I don't care what everyone else says blah

) and the last thing you want to do is start injecting your tree with terimicen .. Look in to Pyrodwarf and Pyro 233 or Quince.
The types we grow here are all proven producers in Arizona, so that being said,, they handle temps in the 120's with 4% humidity.. and soils that reach in the PH of 8.5 to 9,,,,your area is a walk in the park for the root/scion combination.

dauben · Posted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 2:38 pm

turtleman wrote:

The Red Barron and Tropic Gold Cot's I have and can send you the bud wood, just go to my web sites forum and leave me a PM with your address. Look over everything I have on the site and I can send you wood for it.

Thanks. I'll send you a PM.

turtleman wrote:

As far as the Marianna root goes ,, it's all I grow Cots on. as far as the other stone types, why Lovell?

I'm not partial to Lovell, but as a back yard gardener, I don't know of too many sources for rootstock other than Raintree Nursery that will allow you to buy a few at a time. I found some places that have rootstock seed, but I haven't had a great success with germination from the sources I've found. Are there any places you suggest that sell rootstock, but can buy a few at a time?

turtleman wrote:

If it's the dwarfing your looking for check out Krymsk instead.. Currently were the only Propagator that is doing field test on Krymsk for growing in the low deserts, so far they've been promising.

Actually, I'd prefer full size trees, but again, most of what's sold to the home gardener is dwarfing. Is it Krymsk 1 that you're using? I see that there's an Krymsk 2 and 86 also that are also peach compatable.

turtleman wrote:

I'd stay off the Bud 9 for Apples in your area, kick over to M-27 instead, just support the tree.

I got the Bud 9 last year before I moved. At that time I was looking for something very dwarfing for my small yard I had. I'm now looking at full size trees. Any thoughts on Antanovka as a rootstock in my area?

turtleman wrote:

With the Pears in your area try to stay with the Asian types

Is that because of chill hours or another environmental factor?

turtleman wrote:

I'd suggest Not putting anything on Old Home crossed Farmingdale ,, it's subject to pear decline and blight, (I don't care what everyone else says blah

) and the last thing you want to do is start injecting your tree with terimicen .. Look in to Pyrodwarf and Pyro 233 or Quince.

Pyro appears to be trademarked. Is there a retail source? Any suggestions on a standard size rootstock?

turtleman wrote:

The types we grow here are all proven producers in Arizona, so that being said,, they handle temps in the 120's with 4% humidity.. and soils that reach in the PH of 8.5 to 9,,,,your area is a walk in the park for the root/scion combination.

Perfect. Thanks for your help. It's nice to have a source for information that grows in the extreme heat. It seems like a lot of trees are grown iup north and they may not be familiar with local growing conditions. Besides cost and being a hobby, part of the reason why I llke grafting is it allows me to select the rootstock/scion combination. I'm just moving out of citrus, so I've got a lot to learn about these other types of trees.

Thanks,
Phillip

turtleman · Posted: Sun 03 Jan, 2010 9:58 pm

Well Spit.. since it's not the dwarf issue your trying to achieve...
Apples, use M111
Stone Fruits use Nemaguard or Krymsk 86
Cots and Plums use the Marianna, you can also use the Krymsk but that is still undocumented for production with extreme low chill types, I'm another 2 years of testing before I produce anything for commercial or retail markets.

As far as the Pomegranates goes.. your not going to beat the Angel Red.

I grow all these types of root stocks, I just never thought of selling them because most costumers want a grafted tree.... Shocked

Patty_in_wisc · Posted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 1:38 pm

Well hello Phillip. If you can't find Anna or Einshimer, let me know. I don't think this would be a good time to snip scions --IT'S SOOO COLD, but maybe in couple months while still dormant. That Winter Banana scion you sent took! I owe you.

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dauben · Posted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 6:19 pm

Patty_in_wisc wrote:

Well hello Phillip. If you can't find Anna or Einshimer, let me know. I don't think this would be a good time to snip scions --IT'S SOOO COLD, but maybe in couple months while still dormant. That Winter Banana scion you sent took! I owe you.

Hi Patty, I was just thinking about that scion that I had sent to you and was wondering how it did. You must have been reading my mind. I keep snipping Winter Bananna scions off of my little tree so much that the branch is about the same size as it was last year. Smile

Just did another one over the weekend.

Don't worry about owing me. We all have Joe Real to credit since he's the one who gave it to me. I may take you up on your offer though. I keep seeing Anna and Eishimer at the big box chains and keep thinking, "they wouldn't mind me grabbing a cutting would they?" Smile

My conscience prevents me from doing it. Which of the two apples do you prefer?

Phillip

Patty_in_wisc · Posted: Mon 04 Jan, 2010 9:16 pm

They came on my 4 in 1 apple tree I bought in '08 & so far no apples yet... hoping for some this year. I think it was Anna that had a lot of blossoms the first year but no apples. Last year NO blossoms on anything. It is now a 7 in 1 thanks to you & Joe. The winter nana took a loooong time but then it sprouted & grew about 7 -8 inches before dormancy.
Keep in touch if you want scions of those 2 like in Feb or March. Or, would they do OK if I cut them soon? Nah, I better wait.
On the W. nana, I did a cleft/wedge graft (easiest for me) & on Joe's scions I did whip & tongue...2 of 4 made it.

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morphinelover · Posted: Tue 12 Jan, 2010 3:13 am

Apples: Geneva series rootstocks (G.11, G.16, G.30, G.65, G.202, G.41, etc.) I would stay away from Malling rootstocks. They are way to fireblight and root rot susceptable.

Euro Pears: Old Home x Farmingdale rootstocks(OHxF 40, OHxF 69, OHxF 87, OHxF 97, OHxF 217, OHxF 282, etc) or Pyro 2-33 is promising but isn't as fireblight resistant as the ohxf clones.

Asian Pears: Pyrus Calleryana

Plums: Marianna 2624

Apricots: Marianna 2624 or Krymsk 9 (I don't have any experience with this but it is a P. Cerasifera x Apricot cross that is promising)

Peaches: Guardian or maybe Krymsk 86. I wouldn't touch Krymsk 1 or 2. Anything with P. Tomentosa in its blood I don't want any part of.

Cherries: Gisela 5 or 6 & Krymsk 5, 6, 7

http://treeconnect.com/rootstocks.html

Patty_in_wisc · Posted: Thu 28 Jan, 2010 3:05 am

Oh, I can't wait for Spring! I have a 7 in one apple tree (thanks to Phillip & Joe Real) that I can use a neighbors apple blossoms to pollinate, a Big Jim loquat graft (thanks eyecker Very Happy

) doing well, & 2 diff scions of paw paw coming from a friend, to graft on my 2 trees that should blossom this year! Unfortunately, the avocado grafts didn't take, except one...it swelled up & started budding out & then died. Crying or Very sad

I can always try again right? And, I'm excited that all my guavas are getting big - got some blossoms last year, but they fell off. This will be the year for them! They will get planted into 5--6 gal buckets soon. I may try some fig grafting too.
In the meantime, I'm freezing my bells off!!!!

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