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Millet
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Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2007 12:27 am

.........."get around the peer review process"......... Skeet please, I very seriously doubt that was the intention of the author. An author will always publish in the realm of his related industry.
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Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2007 2:24 am

Skeeter wrote:
Phillip, the article you posted the link to is published in the Journal of Physicians and Surgeons.

Why would an article on climate change be published there instead of a more related science journal? I can only wonder if it was to get around the peer review process it would have encountered in a more relavant journal.



Sure, but I would rather than discuss and debate the specifics of the article rather than critiquing the journal that it was in and then have to defend the journals of the 132 sources that were quoted. It side tracks the entire argument that the author has made by switching the debate to what journal it was published in instead of the topic at hand. This is an ad hominem argument (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem).

Anyway, I've known several scientists who couldn't get research published in peer reviewed journals and had to look for other mechanisms to get their work published. In the area of Global Warming, I have heard/read of a number of scientists who complain about their inability to get their work published. I could make the same argument about Al Gore's scientific credentials and lack of peer reviewed literature, but everyone is looking to publish and defend his work.

As far as the authors motives in selecting the the journal that he did, I do not know. If he was trying to avoid the peer review process, I probably would too if my work wasn't getting published.

Anyway below are some links to other articles exploring the solar effects on global warming (some peer reviewed, some not). Interesting enough, some articles are showing climate change also occurring on Mars right now. Could be a coincidence but could also support the solar theory since we aren't yet sending greenhouse gases to Mars. Then again the Mars Rovers did have an explosive charge to inflate the airbags didn't they? Very Happy

Phillip

http://www.greatglobalwarmingswindle.co.uk/pdf/Gamma%20Rays%20and%20Climate%20-%20Perry,%20Charles.pdf
http://www.co2science.org/scripts/CO2ScienceB2C/articles/V9/N29/EDIT.jsp
http://www.john-daly.com/solar/solar.htm
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html
http://humbabe.arc.nasa.gov/~fenton/pdf/fenton/nature05718.pdf
http://www-ssc.igpp.ucla.edu/IASTP/43/
http://www.sciencebits.com/files/articles/GACV32No1Veizer.pdf
http://pubs.giss.nasa.gov/docs/2001/2001_Shindell_etal_1.pdf
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Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2007 10:57 am

When reviewing any articles in the scientific literature one of the first things many scientist look at is where it is published. There are journals such as Science that are very difficult to get into because of their peer review process. One that I am very familiar with is Estuaries, they actually want to see all of the raw data and statistical analyses in the review process. Some journals do very little in the review process. I do not know about that journal, but it is not a well known.

As to some of their specifics, I do agree with one of their points-- we need to remove obstacles to the building of nuclear power plants and begin building more.

I can also say I do not believe some of their data-- being from the Gulf Coast and having been through and aware of most hurricanes for the last 50 years, I do not see a point on the graph that represents the near 30 storms we had several years ago. The question of whether the increasing number of storms is part of a 70 year cycle as NOAA claims or is related to warming is still debated-- logic tells me that since storms only occur during the warm months that warming will increase the number and strength.

The stregnth of storms is another point where I do not believe their data---I can remember only one cat 5 storm (Camille--1969) before 1990 (actually 1992--Andrew), but since then we have had several years that had 4 or 5 in the Category 4 and 5 level.

The fact that Mars is warming is irrelevant-- it has a different orbital pattern. BTW-- the interglacial warm periods that occur every 100,000 years are not caused by CO2-- climatologist know these cycles as the Milankovitch cycle and they are caused by a coincidence of two orbital varitions in the orbit of the earth--- one that causes the earth's orbit to change from eliptical to circular and one that causes a precession in the axis of the earth--one has a period of about 20-22,000 years and one about 24-26,000 years. When they coincide we get stronger sunlight and more heat. The CO2 increase follows several 100 yrs but is believed to extend the warm period several 1000 yrs.

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Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2007 12:37 pm

I give up on this thread, it not worth continuing. Count me out.
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Posted: Thu 25 Oct, 2007 1:47 pm

Millet, before you leave this, could you provide a link to the IPCC page that you said shows human activities only contribute 0.12% of the CO2

This IPCC link: http://ipcc-wg1.ucar.edu/wg1/Report/AR4WG1_Print_Ch02.pdf

does not seem to support that.

Since it is pdf format I can't copy and paste it, but to quote a part of it: "The global mean CO2 in 2005 was 379 ppm, leading to an RF of +1.66[+/- 0.17] Wm-2. Past emissions of fossil fuels and cement production have likely contributed about three-quarters of the current RF"

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