Citrus Growers Forum

dauben · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 12:22 am

The Center for Sustainable Energy is giving away free shade trees to residents in Orange and San Diego Counties. Visit the link below to find out more and just for fun visit the "Tree Hugger Public Service Announcement" (Yes Millet, only in California). Visit my other post in "News" regarding trees being cut down due to the water shortage.

http://energycenter.org/ContentPage.asp?ContentID=38&SectionID=31

Phillip

Millet · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 12:53 am

Here is the California Center For Sustainable Energy's staff, someone has to be paying for all these people. Looks pretty top heavy.

CCSE Staff
Name Position & Program Phone
Benjamin Airth Program Manager
California Solar Initiative - Residential (858) 244-1194
Ryan Amador Associate Program Manager
California Solar Initiative - Non-Residential (858) 244-7283
Jon Bonk-Vasko, P.E. Program Manager
Self-Generation Incentive Program
California Solar Initiative - Non-Residential (858) 244-1196
Andrea Cook, Ph.D. Program Manager
Climate Change (858) 244-4869
Skip Fralick, CEM, LEED-AP Energy Engineer (858) 244-4868
Cristina Frisby Energy Engineer (858) 244-1179
Annie Henderson Program Manager
Solar Water Heating Pilot Program (858) 244-7290
Kara Holman Associate Program Manager
Special Events and Rebuild Central
(858) 244-4873

Stephen Kapp, CEM, CDSM, LEED-AP Technology Resources Manager (858) 244-1190
Adrienne McCrumb Program Manager
Cool Communities Shade Tree Program (858) 244-1181
David McKinley, P.E. Energy Engineer (858) 244-7291
Anna Miller Marketing Assistant (858) 244-4870
Rachel Nedwick Project Assistant
Energy Resource Center (858) 244-1177
Sephra A. Ninow Policy Analyst (858) 244-1186
Taylor Okamura Program Assistant
California Solar Initiative - Residential (858) 244-1189
Roman Partida-Lopez Associate Program Manager
Energy Resource Center
(858) 244-4874
Katrina Perez Associate Program Manager,
California Solar Initiative - Residential (858) 244-1193
Jennifer Porter Policy and Outreach Manager (858) 244-1180
Nicole Kern Quarles Staff Accountant (858) 244-7286
Robin Rivet Program Assistant
Cool Communities Shade Tree Program (858) 244-4871
Marlene Sealey-Frey Associate Program Manager
Energy Resource Center (858) 244-7296
Cynthia Shegog Executive Assistant (858) 244-7285
John Supp Program Manager
California Solar Initiative (858) 244-7288
Kim Sykes Marketing Communications Manager
(858) 244-7278

Carlos Valdez, CEM Energy Engineer (858) 244-7281
Mary Venables Program Manager
Fueling Alternatives (858) 244-7287
Sarah Volpe, MLIS Program Assistant
California Solar Initiative - Non-Residential (858) 244-7297
Lauri Walker Program Manager
Special Events and Rebuild Central (858) 244-1182
Ashley Watkins
Program Manager
Energy Resource Center
(858) 244-1195
Cynthia Zulick Associate Marketing Manager (858) 244-7294

CCSE Interns

Name Position & Program Phone
Jennifer Dredla Intern
Climate Change (858) 244-4872
Deja Malone-Persha Intern
California Solar Initiative (858) 244-4873

Board of Directors
Name Position Affiliation
Robert L. Noble Chairman CEO, Envision Solar
Stephen Hoffmann Vice Chair President, Western Region, NRG Energy Inc.

Karen Hutchens Secretary / Treasurer President, Hutchens Public Relations
John Moot, Esq. Past Chair Attorney, Wertz, McDade, Wallace, Moot & Brower and Former Councilman, City of Chula Vista
Cecilia Aguillon Member Director of Business Development & Government Relations, Kyocera Solar, Inc.
Alan Ball Member
Director, Business Services, Qualcomm, Real Estate & Facilities

Fred Baranowski Member
Senior Vice President and Regional Manager, 1st Pacific Bank

Richard H. Hertzberg
Member Trustee on the UCSD Board of Trustees
Robert Leiter Member Director of Land Use & Transportation Planning, SANDAG
Mark H. Loukides Member Energy Consultant
Lou Smith Member Vice President Facilities Management, Sharp Health Care
Karen Van Winkle Member Senior Architectural Manager, Fairfield Residential
Jim Waring Member
Deputy Chief, Land Use & Economic
Development, CleanTECH San Diego

Sylvain · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 5:54 am

It is very strange as every body around you are very bad people except you and farmers who grow trees were there is no water and are not happy when they must pay water coming from an other state.
The list is becoming long:
Politicians
Teachers
Public schools
Foreigners
Water suppliers
and now environmentalist.
Please think positive!

Indeed I can be wrong because of the language and culture barrier. If I misunderstood, forgive me.

Millet: you will censor this mail too I presume though the words are very polite. Hard to think "differently" on this forum.

dauben · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 1:57 pm

Sylvain wrote:

It is very strange as every body around you are very bad people except you and farmers who grow trees were there is no water and are not happy when they must pay water coming from an other state.
The list is becoming long:
Politicians
Teachers
Public schools
Foreigners
Water suppliers
and now environmentalist.
Please think positive!

Indeed I can be wrong because of the language and culture barrier. If I misunderstood, forgive me.

Millet: you will censor this mail too I presume though the words are very polite. Hard to think "differently" on this forum.

Sylvain,
I'm an engineer that works for a water supplier, my mother in law was a teacher, I have friends in the environmental field, I went to public school, and my ancestors were foreigners (some from France). I can't speak for Millet, but in no way am I saying that these professions and groups are bad, but every group has bad components that could stand to be corrected. Whenever I raise an issue for discussion, I'm not attacking a group of people like you seem to believe, but I do tend to criticize the issue that I'm raising (which may include a component of people within each group).

Let me give you an example of another issue that directly impacts me. The water agencies in Southern California used public funds to pay for weather based irrigation controllers for the sprinkler systems. These were given away free of charge as a part of a water conservation measure to anyone who brought their old controller in. It turns out that very few people installed their new controllers correctly and ended up using more water than their old controllers (myself included). A problem clearly exists. Do I hate everyone involved? Do I hate myself? No, but why can't we criticize or discuss a problem without jumping to the conclusion that we hate everyone.

As far as the environmentalists, I like the environment and believe we should be good stewards of the resources we have. Yet there is a component of environmentalists that I believe do more harm to the environment than good. We have an environmental group here in the US that goes around burning housing developments (ELF). They not only send particulates and smoke into the atmosphere, but they destroy the timber harvested from trees. Timber that is now going to have to be replaced by more trees being cut down. It's a waste.

Anyway, I know this is a long winded rant, but my point is that I don't hate any group of people, but I do hate things and issues that I believe are clearly wrong. People might disagree with my interpretation of what's wrong or right, but I would invite them to discuss the issue on the forum and raise the points that they dispute. I have thick skin and I won't be offended unless you tell me you hate engineers with receding hairlines. Smile

Phillip

Sylvain · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 3:47 pm

Thank you Phillip.
Thank you because you took my mail for what it is not more and that is nice.
On the subject itself I can not argue because I don't know enough about USA.
I reacted on the fact that those mails seem to be always against someone or against something.
We have a saying in France that say "We don't speak about train that arrive in time". It is true that we don't speak of what is ok only of what goes wrong...

dauben · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 5:27 pm

Sylvain wrote:

Thank you Phillip.
Thank you because you took my mail for what it is not more and that is nice.
On the subject itself I can not argue because I don't know enough about USA.
I reacted on the fact that those mails seem to be always against someone or against something.
We have a saying in France that say "We don't speak about train that arrive in time". It is true that we don't speak of what is ok only of what goes wrong...

Peut-être que nous pouvons commencer un sujet sur le groupe au sujet de la mauvaise humeur des Américains. Voulez-vous faire du bénévolat pour obtenir vas-tu? Very Happy

Phillip

Sylvain · Posted: Sun 06 Apr, 2008 6:15 pm

dauben wrote:

Voulez-vous faire du bénévolat pour obtenir vas-tu? Very Happy

Phillip

Je suis d'accord. Wink

dauben · Posted: Tue 08 Apr, 2008 2:50 am

Sylvain wrote:

dauben wrote:

Voulez-vous faire du bénévolat pour obtenir vas-tu? Very Happy

Phillip

Je suis d'accord. Wink

Assurez-vous que c'est seulement rédigés en français. Very Happy

Sinon, les Américains, nous allons commencer à raconter des blagues sur les français. Attendez. . . Je le faisais déjà avec le tonneau de vin. Very Happy

Phillip

dauben · Posted: Wed 09 Apr, 2008 5:12 pm

Ohh, by the way. I forgot to mention . . . . those of you who do not live in Orange or San Diego counties, you can still benefit. I have 10 shade trees (your choice) for sale at a reduced price. Smile

Just kidding . . . Smile

Phillip

Laaz · Posted: Wed 09 Apr, 2008 10:24 pm

I ne pense pas que les Américains, je pense que c'est l'état d'esprit du peuple de tout le monde en général, ces jours-ci. Quand j'étais jeune, le monde n'était pas un tel gâchis que l'on connaît aujourd'hui.

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dauben · Posted: Wed 09 Apr, 2008 10:34 pm

Laaz wrote:

I ne pense pas que les Américains, je pense que c'est l'état d'esprit du peuple de tout le monde en général, ces jours-ci. Quand j'étais jeune, le monde n'était pas un tel gâchis que l'on connaît aujourd'hui.

I often think that that world is much worse than it used to be (even being in my 30s), but I try to think about the things that happened in the past before my time. The 1960's, WWII, the roaring 20's, the Spainish inquisition, plague, the great depression, etc. As much as I gripe about politicians, the French Smile

, and California; we probably still have a quality of life that has been unmatched in the past. The one thing that I do feel is dwindling is a sense of morality and the freedoms that used to exist. I hear about things that my parents and grandparents "used to do" and it seems like another world.

Phillip

jc · Joined: 22 Feb 2007 Posts: 21 Location: Topanga, Ca zone 9b

If you're still watching this thread, I'd be curious to hear about the things that your parents and grandparents used to do, that make it seem like that was another world.

jc