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Posted: Sat 23 Feb, 2008 9:44 pm

Neighbors clash over trees, solar power

By TERENCE CHEA, Associated Press Writer Wed Feb 20, 2:43 PM ET

SUNNYVALE, Calif. - In an environmental dispute seemingly scripted for eco-friendly California, a man asked prosecutors to file charges against his neighbors because their towering redwoods blocked sunlight to his backyard solar panels.

But the couple next door insisted they should not have to chop down the trees to accommodate Mark Vargas' energy demands because they planted the redwoods before he installed the solar panels in 2001.

Experts say such clashes could become more common as California promotes renewable energy and solar systems become more popular.

"Five or ten years ago, you wouldn't have seen this case because there weren't that many systems around," said Frank Schiavo, a retired environmental-studies professor at San Jose State University. "I can almost guarantee there are going to be more conflicts."

After more than six years of legal wrangling, a judge recently ordered Richard Treanor and his wife, Carolyn Bissett, to cut down two of their eight redwoods, citing an obscure state law that protects a homeowner's right to sunlight.

The couple does not plan to appeal the ruling because they can no longer afford the legal expenses, but they plan to lobby state lawmakers to change or scrap the law.

The Solar Shade Control Act means that homeowners can "suddenly become a criminal the day a tree grows big enough to shade a solar panel," Treanor said.

The case marks the first time a homeowner has been convicted of violating the law, which was enacted three decades ago, when few homeowners had solar systems.

The law requires homeowners to keep their trees or shrubs from shading more than 10 percent of a neighbor's solar panels between 10 a.m. and 2 p.m., when the sun is strongest. Existing trees that cast shadows when the panels are installed are exempt, but new growth is subject to the law.

Residents can be fined up to $1,000 a day for violations, though the judge did not impose any fines against the Treanors.

Vargas says the law protects his $70,000 investment in solar power, and he believes it should be strengthened.

"I think it's unfair that a neighbor can take away this source of energy from another neighbor," he said.

Treanor, a retired engineer, said he and his wife are not against solar power, "but we think there's a rational way to implement it."

Solar power is growing rapidly in California, which is by far the nation's biggest generator of solar energy. In 2007, more than 30,000 California homes and businesses had rooftop solar panels, with the capacity to generate 400 megawatts of electricity.

That's as much as eight power plants, according to the nonprofit Environment California.

The boom is being fueled by the California Solar Initiative, which offers homeowners and businesses more than $3 billion in rebates over the next decade to install solar-electric systems.

Both sides say they want to do what's best for the environment.

Treanor and Bissett, who drive a hybrid Toyota Prius, argue that trees absorb carbon dioxide, cool the surrounding air and provide a habitat for wildlife.

Vargas, who recently bought a plug-in electric car, counters it would take two or three acres of trees to reduce carbon dioxide emissions as much as the solar panels that cover his roof and backyard trellis.

Bernadette Del Chiaro, clean energy advocate for Environment California, says the solar shade law might need to be revised to prevent similar disputes.

"We want to make sure we are protecting individuals who have invested a lot of money in solar power, which is an important resource for the state," she said. But lawmakers might want to "take a look at the policy and make sure it's written in a way that's fair to everybody."


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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080220/ap_on_re_us/green_dispute;_ylt=AkPmVgsF22M120_KrnMHTXwS.MwF
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 12:17 am

,,,,,,,,,,,Vargas, who recently bought a plug-in electric car,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Thank God that I live on a farm in Colorado, where my nearest neighbor is distant, instead of in southern California's millions. Vargas's electric car reduces emissions during the day, and then burns fuel at night to charge he batteries. I really don't know how many trees we have on our farm, but a I would guess some where around 300 - 400. So I am reducing more CO2 than Mr. Vargas.- Millet
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 12:59 am

I'm installing solar panels tomorrow & if your trees in CO shade out my panels here in SC, you'll hear from my lawyer in the morning ! Laughing

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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 1:12 am

Laaz, that is OK, because my sister is an attorney, she will handle it for free. - Millet
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 1:30 am

lol... I'm just trying to show how far our country has degressed in such a short time... When someone starts paying my mortgage & taxes, thats when they have a right to complain... Until then...

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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:47 am

Laaz wrote:
I'm installing solar panels tomorrow & if your trees in CO shade out my panels here in SC, you'll hear from my lawyer in the morning ! Laughing


At that distance, the trees in CO should not shade more than 10% of your solar panels, so Millet is safe. You will still be very good neighbors...
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 5:49 am

Millet wrote:
I really don't know how many trees we have on our farm, but I would guess some where around 300 - 400. So I am reducing more CO2 than Mr. Vargas.
You are not reducing anything because trees don't take carbon out of the normal carbon flow (circuitry ?).
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 2:13 pm

Haaa!! Knowing how environmentalism works here in California this is how this scenario will likely go down:

1) Court orders trees to be cut down, but to be mitigated on a 3:1 ratio (three trees planted for each tree cut down).
2) During the process of cutting the trees down, the branches hit the solar panels. The sparks from the panels create a massive brush fire.
3) The fire destroys thousands of other trees and the burning lumber emits greenhouse gasses and particulates that "lead to global warming".
4) Global climate change "is so severe" that the species of tree can no longer grow in the area of the original solar panels. The area is now a barren wasteland.
5) A massive reserve 100's of miles away is created where the trees can grow. The reserve uses millions of tax payer dollars under a proposition passed by the voters titled "Watershed Protection".
6) The solar cells destroyed by the trees have to be manufactured using energy created by burning coal extending the global climatic change.
7) New trees are planted in the reserve passed by the voters. Upon digging the first pit to plant the tree, an arrow head is found. The environmental impact report prepared for the reserve did not adequately address cultural resources. Native Americans file a new lawsuit and win. The reserve is rendered useless and millions of dollars are wasted.
8) A new reserve site is created for the trees when voters passed a proposition for free lunches to feed starving children in school.

Ohh why continue. You know where this is going. . .


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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 6:34 pm

Phillip, you forgot about the Hazmat Team that had to be called out to remove the broken pieces of the Solar Panel. Silvan, I understand what your saying about the Carbon cycle. I was, of course, posting about CO2. _ millet
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Posted: Sun 24 Feb, 2008 7:47 pm

Millet wrote:
Silvan, I understand what your saying about the Carbon cycle. I was, of course, posting about CO2.
That mean that when you grow a new tree, one is dying somewhere and returns to CO2.
You will trap CO2 when you will change your trees to petrol or coal and bury it back to the ground.
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Posted: Tue 26 Feb, 2008 12:24 pm

Millet wrote:
Phillip, you forgot about the Hazmat Team that had to be called out to remove the broken pieces of the Solar Panel. Silvan, I understand what your saying about the Carbon cycle. I was, of course, posting about CO2. _ millet


Naw, I didn't forget. The Hazmat team went on strike when their labor union demands for 364 days of paid vacation each year weren't met. Very Happy

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