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Posted: Wed 02 Jul, 2008 6:19 pm

There was an article in the Knoxville paper about a farmer that raises blackberries and other items, while discussing his life it mentioned he worked at Southern Extract Company.
Since a Spice Extract Company in Milwaukee is one of the places that sells rice hulls (used it potting soils), I googled the company. This article came up, which has nothing to do with SECo, but I thought it might be of interest:

http://www.jewishtimes-sj.com/news/2008/0620/national_world_briefs/004.html

Citramed's citrus extract could be world's first natural preservative

Parabens are making headlines in the US these days, and the FDA is now investigating a number of inquiries about the synthetic preservatives used widely in the cosmetics industry. Parabens ensure that your creams, underarm deodorant, body sprays, shampoos and toothpaste don't rot before you get around to using them.

The problem is that parabens (or alkyl esters of p-hydroxybenzoic acid) have been linked to a number of health concerns, cancer being one of them. Samples of women's breast cancer tissue from the UK, have been found to be loaded with parabens, which may be acting as a hormone mimic before leading to cancer.

Thanks to the Israeli company Citramed, there may be a natural and non-toxic way to keep your beauty and health products fresh, healthy and paraben-free-using nature's wisdom and grapefruit peel.

Citramed has developed a method to squeeze all the antibacterial properties found in the rind of citrus fruit and apply it as a preservative, in not only health products but as a natural preservative in the food industry as well. The company has filed a patent for more than 80 possible uses.

Applications are based on the company's active ingredient "CPE," which has been found to protect humans, animals and plants against a wide variety of bacteria, fungi and yeast.

Lior Rosental, the outgoing CEO of Citramed who handed the reigns over to Eli Levy two weeks ago, talks with ISRAEL21c about the company he helped grow for the past three years.

"Ninety-four percent of the cosmetic preservatives are parabens," says Rosental. "They are controversial - academic researchers say they are not so healthy for us. Parabens can cause skin irritation and cancers."

Nobody likes to use them, Rosental points out, but there is little in the way of alternatives. Now negotiating with top cosmetics companies in the world, theoretically Citramed's product could be ready by the end of the year.

The company has proven its extract can be developed for commercial purposes on an industrial scale, and hopes to first apply its compound immediately in both the cosmetics and food industry.

Rosental explains that the citrus peel has a natural defense mechanism that protects its fruit against microorganism attack. Using a simple water-based process, Citramed found a way to enhance the citrus peel's effectiveness. "The technology copies the natural process," says Rosental. "As far as we know there are no natural preservatives available worldwide," he adds.

Despite claims, organic and natural cosmetics sold in the United States have been found to be much less health-friendly than people realize. Reports published by the Organic Consumer's Association in the US detail shocking amounts of non-natural compounds added to products labeled "organic," and the health dangers such additions pose.

Hopefully Citramed will be able to help these companies become what they are claiming, and make products used and consumed byAmericans every day safer.

Founded in 2003, out of the Ashkelon Technological Industries incubator, with research entrepreneurs Uzi Affek and Janette Orenstein from the Volcani Center in Israel, Citramed is now based in Kibbutz Gat close to Kiriat Gat.

The company's product joins a list of Israeli-made natural extracts that work to improve health for people everywhere. There is Lycomato's tomato-based additive to protect against sunburn naturally (from within), and Tel Aviv University's Prof. Michael Ovadia whose cinnamon extract invention works as a natural anti-viral.


Rosental agrees that Israel is a big achiever in this area: "Every time I speak with a delegation at a conference they say Israel is a leader."

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Posted: Wed 02 Jul, 2008 11:50 pm

Hey homegirl, you've been busy! Thanks for the info.

"a Spice Extract Company in Milwaukee is one of the places that sells rice hulls "
REALLY? I'll have to look it up here.

I just read that there is lead in the long lasting lipsticks. Oh, YUM.

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Posted: Thu 03 Jul, 2008 12:06 am

Hi Patty!
Yeah, I have the name and address of it somewhere. It's out in Wauwatosa but way up by Burleigh or somewhere.

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Posted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 1:58 pm

Many people assume that 'natural' products are automatically healthier than manufactured chemicals. But you have to be very careful about this, there are plenty of highly dangerous natural products. Tobacco; ricin from the castor bean plant; digitalis from foxgloves - to name just a few.
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Posted: Sat 05 Jul, 2008 6:17 pm

To use the term "Organic" in the United States, the product must conform to standards set by law. The term "Natural" has few to almost no qualifying standards to meet, and can be used freely. It is used primarily as a marketing ploy. - Millet
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 3:13 am

I feel stupid asking, but what do they mean when they say "organically grown"? I never buy that produce cuz it's too expensive.
If I fertilize my tomatoes with miracle grow instead of manure, does that mean it's not "organically grown"? Does it really make a diff? Will we die of cancer from this or what?
Fertilizer - reminds me of my Dad....he was a big hunter / fisherman. He used to spear big ol' carp & if he didn't sell them to Indians (who cooked & ate them), he buried them in the garden for fertilizer LOL, which is what the Indians used to do way back when.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 7:26 am

Patty_in_wisc wrote:
I feel stupid asking, but what do they mean when they say "organically grown"? I never buy that produce cuz it's too expensive.
If I fertilize my tomatoes with miracle grow instead of manure, does that mean it's not "organically grown"? Does it really make a diff? Will we die of cancer from this or what?
Fertilizer - reminds me of my Dad....he was a big hunter / fisherman. He used to spear big ol' carp & if he didn't sell them to Indians (who cooked & ate them), he buried them in the garden for fertilizer LOL, which is what the Indians used to do way back when.


For me, my limit of organic growing is synthetic pesticide-free. Practically all synthetic pesticides has long term ill effects on our health and even the entire ecosystem. There is no way to gauge the potential dangers of all of these synthetic chemicals. They are new to nature. Whereas, all the natural chemicals, the earth's evolving ecosystem have at least a billion years to equilibriate with them.

Nutrient fertilizers, whether from bat poops, chicken manure, horse manure or other organic sources, have basically the same chemical composition even if mankind were to synthesize them. Ammonium is ammonium whether it comes from poop or pee or from Haber-Bosch process. Water is water, either from rain or from combining hydrogen and oxygen in a fuel cell chamber. In fact, all of the essential nutrients can be mined or synthesized, and they are still the same chemical compounds that nature has been exposed to. So it doesn't make any difference to the plants, it certainly doesn't make any difference to me. But it does make a lot of difference to people who are towards the extreme side that wanted to ban everything that is synthesized by mankind.

The reality is that it is hard to be fanatically organic. Not all organic methods are safe either. For example, slugs, snail eggs, insect eggs and other parasites could ride together with improperly handled manure and could carry human diseases that you can ingest. Although this can happen with "non-organic", you are several times more likely to get salmonella from organically fertilized products than from chemically fertilized products. I also don't trust the labeling of organics especially if they are from outside the US. Also, the US allows 10% mix of non-organic or even outside the US products and label them as 100% organically grown in the USA.

But organic or not, what matters to me most is that if the farm products are pesticide free. That is why I grow my own fruits, all of it if possible, because I know I can safely bite into one, freshly plucked from the trees, without any worry or fear.
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 12:04 pm

Very well said Joe. I understand it completely. And learned from it.
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 3:50 pm

Patty_in_wisc wrote:
I feel stupid asking, but what do they mean when they say "organically grown"? I never buy that produce cuz it's too expensive.
If I fertilize my tomatoes with miracle grow instead of manure, does that mean it's not "organically grown"? Does it really make a diff? Will we die of cancer from this or what?
Fertilizer - reminds me of my Dad....he was a big hunter / fisherman. He used to spear big ol' carp & if he didn't sell them to Indians (who cooked & ate them), he buried them in the garden for fertilizer LOL, which is what the Indians used to do way back when.


There are not stupid questions--just stupid answers! But in answer to your question your tomatoes would not be "organically grown". They would still be just as nutritious and delicious and safe (as long as you did not use pesticides). Like Joe said, the chemical form of N in your miracle grow is the same chemical form that cow manure, or whatever "organic fertilizer" must be converted to before it can be available to the plant. The Haber-Bosch process that Joe mentioned is patterned after mother nature--it takes the N in air and converts it to ammonia using heat and electricity just like mother nature does in a storm with lightening. The Haber-bosch process is the source of most commercial N fertilizer.

The real advantage to organic gardening (besides avoiding pesticides) is the soil conditioning--adding organic matter to the soil will make most plants grow faster, bigger and stronger, but you can do that without supplying all of the nutrition for the plant from organic matter. One disadvantage of adding commercial fertilizer to your garden soil is that it helps bacteria break down your organic matter, so you have to continuously add more to keep you soil rich in organic matter.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 4:48 pm

Skeet said it in the proper context. I do apply a mix of organic matter and inorganic fertilizer to have healthy productive plants. Organic matter alone cannot supply the needs of my trees, and for sure, "inorganic" fertilizers cannot supply all of my trace elements either. Soil conditioning that do not degrade over time can be improved using horticultural charcoal, achieving similar traits to Terra Pretta. But the current cost of excellent well cured horticultural charcoal is prohibitive right now, so I always buy composted steer manure or haul in lots of horse manure from friend's ranches. They improve soil structure for me, including aeration, drainage, minimize leaching of inorganic fertilizers and improve water and soil fertilizer use efficiency, among the few things.

It is not possible for me to produce high quantities of high quality fruits by going purely organic. The purely organic means that even the manures that you use should come from orgnically grown animals. Most manure sold today in retail are enriched by inorganic fertilizers.
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 5:51 pm

Thanks Joe & Skeet.... well explained. The only pesticide I used (if it IS a pesticide) was boric acid to kill ants in soil. I have ants in yard & last year I noticed a BUNCH in the soil of my potted Ponderosa so I put the powder on the soil & it worked. It does say on label not to inhale the powder so will my lemons be safe for eating? The powder did not touch the plant itself.

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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 5:52 pm

Boric acid is natural. Just don't ingest them directly. It will take large dosage to have ill effects on average human being. Not the trace amounts on the fruits.
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Posted: Wed 09 Jul, 2008 7:50 pm

Joe brings up another point often overlooked by those wanting to avoid "chemicals". A lot of the manures in agriculture today are loaded with hormones, antibiotics, and even pesticides, not to mention the biological risk like the salmonella we are seeing in the news.

Yes boric acid is a good "safe for humans" pesticide, but you may want to be aware that it can cause boron toxicity in your citrus trees. So don't use too much on the soil around your tree. Here is a website with the symptoms of boron toxicity in citrus.

http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CH142

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul, 2008 4:19 am

It's not just manure..
2 plants growing native in my yard (and sometimes considered as weed Embarassed) as example of herbal fertilizer and insecticide:

Urtica dioica (local name: Kopriva)
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Urtica+dioica
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/1958/
http://www.helpfulgardener.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2977
...

Symphytum officinale (local name: Gavez)
http://www.pfaf.org/database/plants.php?Symphytum+officinale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfrey
http://www.the-organic-gardener.com/Comfrey.html
...

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Posted: Thu 10 Jul, 2008 12:13 pm

I have had experience with that stinging nettle---that hurts! It was in a flower we bought and when I went to pull it out it felt like fire coral and it did not quit for hours!

Very bad weed indeed!

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