agree mostly.

Some kumquats and their hybrids have very good sweet juice flavor too. So consider that well, especially if you are multi-grafting several fortunella hybrids unto a single tree.

Sure, we don't discuss tastes When I read "poor fruit quality" I thought small size, not resistant, etc.. not the taste.
It is good to read personal experiences, thanks

For me, poor fruit quality will have different meaning in various context. Often, I would equate it with flavor. If the flavor is not what I expected it to be, then the flavor is of poor quality.

It is so easy to tell if the flavor is of poor quality when comparing various sweet oranges. Harder to tell apart the flavor quality of lemons. While most of you may be hard pressed to know that Calamondins degrade in quality as they turn color from yellow green to orange, I could easily tell and detect if one Calamondin fruit has poorer quality than another, based on usage of that fruit since childhood, and what our intended use of the fruit is, like as condiments or ingredient in various recipes.

But we shouldn't compare that calamondins are of poorer quality flavor compared to sweet oranges. That is why the flavor is evaluated, in part, according to what is expected of that cultivar.

Citrus macrophylla is very important as a rootstock for lemons. Because with lemons, TSS is not a factor, macrophylla can be used with out impunity. Kumquat is also a tart/sour type of fruit, so you might be able to try it. I don't know if Adana is an area that a citrus tree can be planted in the ground or not, but if you can plant in the ground you might try it. If it is going to be a container tree, myself, I would use trifoliate. Millet

I would say absolutely we talk about taste. Certainly, there are many reasons why we eat what we eat, but taste is right up there at the very top, and taste is to a large extent why we choose to eat what we eat. I must agree, what might be the best tasting to one person, might not be the favorite of another. Taste is very subjective. People talk about taste every day, in general conversation....."I like this ice cream"...."I like the taste of that better" and so on. I would go along with Joe Real, I often equate poor quality with taste, as I sure many people do. - Millet

Thanks,

Yes, my city is the main city that grows citrus, our climate is perfect for citrus, so I will have a chance to try them both in container and on ground.
In any case, I must go for sour orange this season, because I only have sour orange and C35 ready, and C35 didn't work.I will have seeds and seedlings for next season to try other rootstocks.

As for the taste, when I buy my first kumquat and bring it to home, many people surprised to see it because it is a new citrus here though you know it already for ages Many people ate fruits from the tree, some liked it very much, some didn't.Many couldn't understand why I want to have new trees instead of a tasty mandarin.
So can any of them say that tree has a poor fruit quality?

I understand there are criterias like acid ratio, juice amount, amount of seeds, how long a fruit can stay on tree before going bad, how long we can keep it in fridge while transportation, these criterias are what I understand from "poor quality". But of course taste is another important criteria but only one of them.
I guess important criterias vary from people to people, if you grow them to eat, taste is more important, if you sell what you grow endurance is important, don't you think so?

Best

Majority of people I met thought that the citruses are only lemons (which are often interchanged with limes), oranges, and grapefruits.

to them satsumas, clementines and all other mandarins are medium sized oranges. Navels, Valencias are big oranges. Kumquats and calamondins are baby oranges.

or you will bore them to death if you argue and discuss otherwise.

Sounds like we need a rootstock sub-forum and
then have a few of us post links to some of the
online articles and reprints of old Journal articles
for people to read (if they will indeed read them).
Then we can compare what rootstocks have been
primarily used in the past for a variety of areas for
which in ground Citrus and where they were to be
grown mostly for production purposes.

Then we can separate out the rootstock forms
that have been good for longer living plants in
in a container indoors in a greenhouse, in a
home and outdoors. I think that C35 has
shown to be a good universal rootstock for
trees grown in containers and Rough Lemon
has done well for in ground trees. We have
to also remember that it is unfair to compare
these two rootstocks as the majority of the
people in this forum are not wanting standard
sized trees and most people in this forum are
not going to put these trees in the ground
anytime soon either, which makes the Rough
Lemon pretty much an outcast, an afterthought,
as most of the trees budded or grafted onto
Rough Lemon are going to go in the ground
as pretty much standard trees and not be
grown for years as a semi-dwarf tree in a
container.

As always it depends on what we want from the
rootstock before we can say with certainty that
for in ground in Turkey that C35 will be better
for Kumquats there than Rough Lemon will be.
You need to figure out what is the eventual plan
for the Kumquats anyway, what do you want from
them and not simply propagate them due to the
availability of a rootstock that may be unproven
for your area. A added note: graft incompatibilities
in several woody plants are more commonly seen
7 to 10 years down the road as opposed to when
they are fresh to yearling grafts instead. People
in Maples talk about how many fresh grafts they
had take and sold as liner plants but no one talks
about how many of those plants are still around
10 years later. I wonder why that is!

Jim

Added a new forum to propagation.

Great Idea Jim-- Thanks Lazz

Jim, is certainly correct about rootstocks. The discussion of rootstocks can be an never ending discussion. It all depends on the location, weather, soil type, disease pressure, temperature, rain fall, or no rain fall, soil pH, soil texture, drainage, hard pan, organic matter, and on and on and on. The most satisfactory root stock in one location, might not be the correct root stock just 50 miles down the road. A good rootstock in southern Florida, might be the wrong rootstock in central Florida, and unusable in northern Florida. My guess is, the konwledge of rootstocks for the majority of people who are solely container growers, would naturally be quite limited, mostly due to the fact that the majority of rootstocks available on the market, are not suited to live out their lives in side a container. A good rootstock, today, could be the wrong stock tomorrow, example Sour Orange. I would make one comment. It is often said Kumquats do not do well on their own roots. Personally, the seedling Kumquats I have seen seem to do just fine, at least in a Colorado greenhuse culture, but this might true for a tree growing in the California desert. - Millet

Hi Millet,
I agree!

Only one point: The Italian Citrus Research Station at Acireale in Sicily/ Italy made a research about, which rootstock may fit best for use in Containers.

Well, among 18 different commericial roostocks tested, it was found that Citrus volkameriana and Citrus macrophylla are most promising rootstocks fpr thee use with citrus scions, and their usage fpr container grown ornamental citrus should be forced.

Since most rootstocks are only tested for the commercial use, the scientific research for rootstocks in ornamental citrus production for container grown trees isn't realy done.. Since yet.

So, the effects on rootstocks in container nurseries, were trees for ochards are produced are well observed, and it could be discussed, if the effects of the rootstocks in such nurseries can be transfered to a generall container culture....

Steve, you are correct, concerning the fact that commercial citrus nurseries produce trees that are intended to e grown as commercial grove trees in the ground. Some of the commercial nurseries will sell small quantities orders to hobby growers who will grow the tree as a containerized tree. Very few US nurseries, produce trees for container growers. Four Winds Growers, Flying Dragon Nursery, and a nursery in Texas are a few that do grow for the home market. Flying Dragon Nursery, their trees are generly excellet, but they do not ship, use Flying Dragon rootstock, Four Winds uses a lot of "True Dwarf Brand" Cuban root stock, and I am not sure about Texas. Stan McKenzie Nursery and Plant Folks Nursery (Ned) also market trees that grow well in containers. I have purchased tree from Four Winds, Stan and Ned, and have received nice trees from all three. . When a tree is purchased from the other commercial suppliers, your tree might come on just about any thing at all, and stuck into a 4X4X14 tall boy container. - Millet