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gdbanks Citruholic
Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 12:26 am |
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i would like to grow grapes, i was thinking maybe if i grow one in a container that would help reduce the size of the plant.
trying to think of a place they would fit if not in a container. would there be a problem having them grow on the west side of a fence and trying to keep it only on that side, prevent it from growing over? _________________ looking for cold hardy citrus
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 1:07 am |
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You can grow grapes in a container, but it should be a deep container. Grapes have deep growing roots. The amount of sunshine a grape vine receives is VERY important. The more sun EACH leaf receives the better the production of grapes. If you grow them on a fence, be sure to spread the canes along the various fence rails so that one cane is not shadowing another cane. I grow 2 acres of American/French hybrid grapes outside on VSP trellis. Before I planted them I had a backhoe dig 4-foot deep trenches, and then just push the dirt back into the trench, so that the roots of the newly planted vines could grow deep. Mertot, Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay, Riesling, Shiraz, and Zinfandel I grow inside the greenhouse, because they would never survive the winters in Colorado. I grow them in 24 inch deep X 18-inch wide Air Root Pruning containers. If planted in a under sized container you will continually need to water during the hot summer days. A grape vine drinks a lot of water. Good luck. - Millet (707-) |
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gdbanks Citruholic
Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 7:23 am |
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i just got some rootmaker pots but they are not very deep. i did not see deep pots there only 10 inches deep. though i was in the consumer section only. i guess they may have many more products in the wholesale part.
thanks _________________ looking for cold hardy citrus
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 1:38 pm |
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Root Builder Expandable containers come in either 18" or 30" high rolls. They are listed under the wholesale section. Anyone can purchase from the wholesale side. The main problem for a retail customer is that the Expandable Container's only come in 100-foot roll, which is much more than they normally need. I purchase the 30 inch tall rolls and either use them as is, our cut them to whatever height I need. - Millet (706-)
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wd40 Citruholic
Joined: 10 Dec 2010 Posts: 105
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 7:30 pm |
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Are we talking muscadines here?
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 08 Feb, 2011 8:20 pm |
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WD40, no, we are posting about real grapes. -Millet (706-) |
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gdbanks Citruholic
Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 15 Feb, 2011 2:00 am |
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I don't know a lot about growing Muscadines. I doubt if any one would bother growing Muscadines, out side of the Southern states, where they have to grow them due to Pierce's disease. In my opinion, and the opinion of most growers, if you live in an area where you can grow real grapes, Muscadines just are not worth wasting your time on - Millet (799-) |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Wed 16 Feb, 2011 9:20 am |
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gdbanks wrote: | if i did try muscadines would your advice be different? do they also have very deep root systems? |
I am very interested in this too as I can not grow grapes here. Some of the southern universities have some Muscadine breeding programs maybe they could answer the root question. I am planning on growing at least four varieties here. As Millet pointed out there are disease issues that we in the deep south have to deal with. I know that not all muscadines will grow well in all areas of the south so do your research and please post your results.
Ther are some grape/muscadine hybrids that are being worked with. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1029 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Wed 16 Feb, 2011 1:57 pm |
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gdbanks wrote: | if i did try muscadines would your advice be different? do they also have very deep root systems? |
The only thing you can grow successfully is muscadines or hybrids. Pierce's disease will get anything else. You can grow mortenson bunch grapes if you like sour grapes. |
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Wed 16 Feb, 2011 11:15 pm |
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mrtexas wrote: | The only thing you can grow successfully is muscadines or hybrids. Pierce's disease will get anything else. You can grow mortenson bunch grapes if you like sour grapes. |
Is the Mortenson bunch grapes a hybrid or ?????????
If not what do you know about the hybrids? I do not want a sour grape. _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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Ned Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 999 Location: Port Royal, SC (Zone 8b)
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Posted: Wed 16 Feb, 2011 11:19 pm |
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Many of the muscadines make excellent fruit. I, for one, prefer them to bunch grapes. I suspect that this is an acquired taste, but IMHO is one worth acquiring.
Florida has developed some bunch grapes that are suppose to have resistance to Pierce's disease, but I doubt that any will make it long right along the coast. This link may be of interest.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ag208
There is a branch of the North American Fruit Explorers called the Southern Fruit Fellowship. There are members of this organization that have experience with bunch grapes that are said to resist PD. This link will take you to the NAFEX web page, where you will find a link to the SFF web page.
http://www.nafex.org/
NAFEX has an message board that members here might be interested in. There is a link at their web page. Some of the members are grape experts. I don't believe you have to be a member of either organization to join the message board.
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Darkman Citruholic
Joined: 20 Jul 2010 Posts: 968 Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a
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Posted: Wed 16 Feb, 2011 11:29 pm |
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Ned wrote: | Many of the muscadines make excellent fruit. I, for one, prefer them to bunch grapes. I suspect that this is an acquired taste, but IMHO is one worth acquiring.
Florida has developed some bunch grapes that are suppose to have resistance to Pierce's disease, but I doubt that any will make it long right along the coast. This link may be of interest.
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ag208
There is a branch of the North American Fruit Explorers called the Southern Fruit Fellowship. There are members of this organization that have experience with bunch grapes that are said to resist PD. This link will take you to the NAFEX web page, where you will find a link to the SFF web page.
http://www.nafex.org/
NAFEX has an message board that members here might be interested in. There is a link at their web page. Some of the members are grape experts. I don't believe you have to be a member of either organization to join the message board.
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Thanks for the leads. I vaguely remember seeing NAFEX once before. I will check them out. Sure would be nice to have a thin skinned seedless muscadine!!! _________________ Charles in Pensacola
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gdbanks Citruholic
Joined: 08 May 2008 Posts: 251 Location: Jersey Village, TX
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 17 Feb, 2011 1:42 am |
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Last year when I was in South Carolina visiting Lazz, one afternoon I visited a muscadine vineyard and winery near Charleston. After touring the vineyard, they offered tastings of their wine. I can tell you muscadine wine certainly does not come anywhere close to competing with a good glass of Cabernet Sauvignon, Chardonnay, or Merlot. One of the big draw backs to eating muscadines fresh, is their tough skin and numerous seeds. gdbanks, whatever you grow, I wish you the best in your endeavors. - Millet (699-) |
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