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joefrank Citruholic
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Location: Santa Fe, NM USA
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Tue 23 Dec, 2008 12:45 pm |
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UPS tells me that my copy should arrive today. Something to read over the holiday!
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joefrank Citruholic
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Location: Santa Fe, NM USA
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Tue 23 Dec, 2008 4:37 pm |
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When I ordered my copy I wasn't expecting it until after Christmas as that is what Amazon led me to believe. Nevertheless it came in about an hour ago.
Not a large volume, but what I've seen of it so far looks pretty good. Nice photos.
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joefrank Citruholic
Joined: 17 Oct 2007 Posts: 89 Location: Santa Fe, NM USA
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Thu 25 Dec, 2008 1:04 pm |
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I recieved a copy for Christmas from my daughter.. Great pictures, lots of good info ! I was surprised by one of the sources they list for citrus in the US. You guess which one! Hint: they had about a 90% negative rating on Garden Watchdog before they forced GW to remove their names! _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5681 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5681 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Thu 25 Dec, 2008 3:52 pm |
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_________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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tolumnia Citruholic
Joined: 17 Nov 2005 Posts: 157 Location: Gainesville FL Zone 8/9
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Posted: Sat 27 Dec, 2008 2:47 pm |
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My copy arrived a few days ago, and I find a few errors and a few other disappointing things.
1. He says calamondins produce numerous SWEET fruit. I have eaten a lot of them, but I have NEVER had one I would call sweet!
2. He says lemons are used for blah blah, and also other nefarious things. My dictionary says nefarious means extremely wicked. No idea what the author meant by this.
3. He says calamondins are used for blah, blah, and some other bizarre things. But, he never tells us what bizarre things.
4. He says that the Washington navel really came from Spain, through Brazil, to the USA, but provides no reference to support the statement. This is at odds with about everything else I have read about the Washington navel.
I have not finished reading the whole book, but these seemed to be a bit odd for what is supposed to be the essential guide to citrus.
Maybe I am just getting to be a grumpy old man and these are just minor things that don't bother anyone else. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat 27 Dec, 2008 5:28 pm |
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Washington Navel origin per CCPP and "The Citrus Industry".
http://www.citrusvariety.ucr.edu/citrus/washington.html
The origin of the Washington or Bahia variety is not known but, after a study at first hand, Dorsett, Shamel, and Popenoe (1917) of the U.S. Department of Agriculture concluded that it was probably a limb sport that was found in a tree of the Selecta variety near Bahia, Brazil, and first propagated some time between 1810 and 1820. In the opinion of the writer, it is more likely that the parent variety was the Portuguese navel (Umbigo) orange described by Risso and Poiteau (1818-22) and that it originated somewhat earlier.
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Stan McKenzie Citrus Guru
Joined: 14 Nov 2005 Posts: 314 Location: Scranton, SC USA
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Posted: Sat 27 Dec, 2008 6:51 pm |
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Tolumnia, I dont want to sound critical either and I havent read the book.. just glanced thru. I found one glaring error where he is supposed to have a picture of flying dragon trifoliate. I would guess that 99% of the people on this board could correctly ID a flying dragon. The picture published in the book is of regular trifoliate.. no curved thorns, no twisted branches. Maybe he wrote this book after his other was already published, titled: "How I Became Stupid!" I think I will start proof reading it and see if I can come up with some other non facts! _________________ Y ORANGE U Growin Citrus
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Sun 28 Dec, 2008 5:38 pm |
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Tolumnia, you're still young. You don't know how many things we can do with lemons and calamondins!
For Washington navel, it's true. Probably coming from Portugal. It is clearly explained page 15, right column of "Citrus, Varieties of the world" of James saunt. And it was probably coming from Asia like the rest.
Countries and cultures are selfish and self-centered. For USA a variety start to exist the first time it is released in the states. We do the same in Europe.
Stan, too late for me to change my mind. I already ordered it. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 28 Dec, 2008 6:19 pm |
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The Book "The Citrus Industry" does mention that a Portuguese grower, did first produce Washington Navels in Bahia Brazil. I bet in reality no one is 100 percent sure the exact origin. (???) - Millet |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Tue 30 Dec, 2008 12:21 am |
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I'm about half done with my copy. Nice photos, good layout. The container culture info is a bit weak, but it can be made to work. He does at least warn against over potting and excessive watering.
But whatever its shortcomings may be it does seem to have one thing going for it. I took it with me up to the farm in Georgia for the family Christmas gathering where it caught my dad's eye so that he started reading it himself. Now he wants me to bring him a satsuma he can keep in a container. My step-dad wants a potted lemon as well.
Score two more for the citrus bowl!
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Tue 30 Dec, 2008 1:33 am |
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Mr. Martin Page's book "Growing Citrus", is without a doubt the worst book (possibly the second worst book) I have in my collection of citrus literature. I wonder if Mr. Page has ever actually grown a containerized citrus tree. The number of areas in his book that I cannot agree with is much to long to list on this electric forum. However, I am grateful that all was not lost, I did learn on page 48 that if a terracotta container falls over, there is a strong chance that the container might break.
Gratefully it did include some pretty pictures.
Millet
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