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Boca_Joe · Posted: Thu 07 Nov, 2013 11:01 pm

We knew it was not quite ripe yet, but a fun experiment! Picked one today. Prob 4 more weeks, last year Dec 6 and Dec 13, a total of 3 fruits. 15 on the tree (14 now, picked one today) this year.

There are 4 short videos at the end of the photos (page 4)

http://bocajoe.smugmug.com/Tropical-Plants-in-a-Non/Hardy-Citrandarin-Nov-Dec-2013/33300048_pFL2qB#!i=2891117853&k=fbH62DZ

About 12 seeds per fruit, thin peel, beautiful color, easy peel as you will see too. Once again no trace, smell or taste of trifoliate in peel or fruit.

Exciting season!

Boca Joe

GregMartin · Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2013 12:22 am

The US-852 parent has Poncirus smell to the rind and some Poncirus taste to the fruit as would be expected in a first gen cross of P.t. so this citrandarin seedling is a second generation citrandarin or a Segentrandarin! (got to love these names)

Tim MA z6 · Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2013 10:17 am

Nice looking fruit Joe........have you seen any winter damage on this citrus?

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Boca_Joe · Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2013 1:18 pm

tim,

no, the only thing is maybe 10%-25% defoliation at most , depending on the winter, but more important , it is just that, DEFOLIATION, every bud on the branch re-leafs in spring! No actual "dieback" noted.

Tim MA z6 wrote:

Nice looking fruit Joe........have you seen any winter damage on this citrus?

eyeckr · Posted: Fri 08 Nov, 2013 4:11 pm

Looking good! Thanks for the pics.

Citradia · Posted: Sat 09 Nov, 2013 10:38 pm

It's November and some of us have already had freezing weather. How many hours of freezing temps can trifoliate hybrids fruit take before it is frozen through and ruined? If you say your hybrid needs a few more weeks to ripen, will you prevent it from freezing fruit with protection? In FL they say some freezing temps makes fruit sweeter, but in zone 7, how much cold is too much too soon? I have hybrids but too young to bloom yet, so I want to know if I'll need to protect fruit from freeze one day.

Boca_Joe · Posted: Sun 10 Nov, 2013 2:15 am

Citradia wrote:

It's November and some of us have already had freezing weather. How many hours of freezing temps can trifoliate hybrids fruit take before it is frozen through and ruined? If you say your hybrid needs a few more weeks to ripen, will you prevent it from freezing fruit with protection? In FL they say some freezing temps makes fruit sweeter, but in zone 7, how much cold is too much too soon? I have hybrids but too young to bloom yet, so I want to know if I'll need to protect fruit from freeze one day.

here are the stats we know so far. Last year in November we had 14 nights below freezing, 8 of which were in the 20's, 2 nights in a row low temp was 23f, and 2 other nights it was 27 and 26, and in December before we picked the last fruit on Dec 13, there were 4 nights in the 20's, with absolutely no detrimental effects on the citrandarin fruit.

So it seems pretty tough as far as cold. It was given NO protection.

Boca Joe

ilyaC · Posted: Sun 10 Nov, 2013 6:49 am

It seems that citrandarin as well as surrounding trachies are planted very close to the wall in a protected enclosure oriented to the South. That should give few degrees more.

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Citradia · Posted: Sun 10 Nov, 2013 12:09 pm

That's awesome! Thanks for the info!

Boca_Joe · Posted: Mon 11 Nov, 2013 12:09 pm

ilyaC wrote:

It seems that citrandarin as well as surrounding trachies are planted very close to the wall in a protected enclosure oriented to the South. That should give few degrees more.

Not really protected by any enclosure, just up near the house

mksmth · Posted: Mon 11 Nov, 2013 1:09 pm

That is pretty great news Joe. Im excited you guys are able to enjoy that one. It would be nice to have something other than just PT survive here. Im afraid this one probably wouldnt make it without a decent micro climate. as hot as it can get here in the summer and as mild as our falls and springs can be we still always run the risk of a week straight of below freezing and often into the teens. It would be real test of the citrandarin's hardiness here. Let me know if you guys ever propagate to sell.

mike

Boca_Joe · Posted: Tue 12 Nov, 2013 11:35 am

mksmth wrote:

That is pretty great news Joe. Im excited you guys are able to enjoy that one. It would be nice to have something other than just PT survive here. Im afraid this one probably wouldnt make it without a decent micro climate. as hot as it can get here in the summer and as mild as our falls and springs can be we still always run the risk of a week straight of below freezing and often into the teens. It would be real test of the citrandarin's hardiness here. Let me know if you guys ever propagate to sell.

mike

Mike you should try it. Last winter, we had 2 nights of 9f and a week where temps never got above freezing. Blooms like a **** this spring, minimal defoliation. This tree has seen 0f and many single digits. Doesn't seem to affect it at all.

We hope to have more rooted cuttings next summer. We have 8 now but all are spoken for.

Kris OK · Joined: 01 Jul 2013 Posts: 1

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Last winter, we had 2 nights of 9f and a week where temps never got above freezing. Blooms like a **** this spring, minimal defoliation. This tree has seen 0f and many single digits.

For a good-tasting citrus, those are very low temps to survive, and even thrive. That's impressive and one that I would love to add to my collection as well. Put me down for one as well please!

Lemandarangequatelo · Citruholic Joined: 01 Mar 2010 Posts: 466 Location: UK

Thanks for the update, great looking tree and fruit! I'd love to have this in my collection too. If you start selling budwood and seeds put me down on the waiting list please.