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gotro17
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Joined: 21 Jun 2011
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Location: Newbury Park, CA- ZONE 8b/9a

Posted: Sun 18 Sep, 2011 7:02 pm

This is my trovita (the first pic was from standing on a chair, on top of the tree), planted/re potted in Millet's 4:1 CHC Peat mixture... Just before repotting it was losing large leaves- 2 or 3 a day. Since re potting it slowed down but now the leaves are curling inward and have a 'bronzed' look down the center of some, that shows more yellow in these photos. It's been about 6 weeks. They looked as if there was a hint of brown lurking down the middle (sorry- it's the best way I can describe it). I lost the 2 small fruits that were on it as well. I read the bronzing could be a potassium deficiency but that that would be rare... I fertilized yesterday with the Romeo that Four Winds sells (I need to use it up before trying anything else- they charged as much to ship it as the product cost!)... The tiny, tiny new growth is super fragile and literally falls off if you so much as graze it. Something's definitely not right. There is also a GIANT leaf toward the bottom of the tree. I read somewhere in the forum about that, but, I can't remember what it was (too much N???).

I also have now attached a photo of my new Page I picked up today(for $13!)- I felt sorry for it and there have been NO Pages to be found around here, at least the last couple of months. I had to snatch it up! It's the photo with the small fruit- it's the only one on the tree. Many of the branches were freshly pruned back (which did make me suspicious they were trying to make it look healthier than it is) and there are alot of dead twigs inside. Any suggestions for a Page revival plan?

Lastly, the old Lane Late... You can't miss it, it's the yellow one. Millet has been very generous (as usual) with his time and expertise on this one. Alas, nothing seems to be helping it. Still looking very fragile, twiggy, weak and pale. It's in CHC, peat and some soil less mix (from the hydroponic store). I'm starting to hate this tree. Sad I've mixed in Osmocote and steadily increased fertilizing and amended with iron sulfate, gypsum, worm castings and even chicken manure.

The one sideways shot is a happy one... It's my Meyer I adopted from my neighbor that had it flirting with death for at least the 2 years I knew her before she just asked if I wanted it... I'd just go next door and throw at least a little fertilizer on it once in a while, knowing that was all the attention it got. Anyway, it lost ALL of it's leaves and I nearly gave up on it. I kept scratching the bark to check for green. I figured I'd toss it when there were no signs of life. It was then that I found this awesome forum and now look at her! In fact- the tag hanging off the one branch is a successful navel (from my sister's off the charts delicious tree) bark graft! The Meyer is full of new growth and buds. It's been a long 2 years, but, I am very proud of what "we" all accomplished here! THANK YOU!!! Now, if anyone can help with my trovita, the Page and, sigh, the Lane Late (I suppose) it'd be great!






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pher
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Joined: 15 Sep 2011
Posts: 52
Location: Slovakia-Banska Bystrica

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 8:45 am

chlorosis to evade any grower is especially bad watering or fertilization ... should also burning leaves is often enough to be a tree privikat the sun do not gulp it straight at the sun
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RyanL
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Joined: 07 Jan 2010
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Location: Orange County, North Carolina. 7B

Posted: Mon 19 Sep, 2011 3:59 pm

First things first... You're shooting in the dark if you do not have a PH/PPM meter. You could be over fertilizing, under fertilizing, your PH could be too high or too low. When these things are known the troubleshooting process is much simpler.

However, By looking at the pictures, I would guess the problem is in the soil, it looks too soggy and the containers look too large for the size of the plants (this decreases the oxygen cycle). Also I would stay far away from CHC, it is not (in my opinion) a good medium choice for the normal home grower for reasons we see here.

What I would do:

Replant the trees in smaller containers with a light mix, this soiless mix you speak of could be a good choice, you will have to be the judge if in doubt at all lighten it up a bit with sand or pearlite. Smaller containers are better for rejuvenating a tree because you increase the oxygen cycle. Remember if you do replant they sometimes get worse(transplant shock/root damage) before they get better.

This is a must for success:

Acquire a multimeter (PPM/PH) and water the tree a complete liquid fertilizer(for simplicity sake, as close to 5-1-3 as you can) at a rate of about 100-150ppm at 6.0-6.5 PH, your trees will noticeably perk up in a few weeks. when they do you can slowly increase the fertilizer rate.



Here is a little inspiration, keep in mind there is nothing I am doing differently than what I am recommending to you. 2 year old sanguinelli, soiless medium cut with sand and Sphagnum. PH is always 6-6.5, PPM is ~400. 7gallon clay container. 10-12 hours direct North Carolina sunlight. small CHC chips and fibers as mulch. no secrets. Wink took this photo this morning.
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