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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 11:06 pm |
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We've had 100 chilling hours for the month of November, the lowest in seven years. I'm not worried about the chilling hours itself, it is only November, and deciduous plants that are mature will always bloom even if the models calculate below average chilling hours. We've been worse than this November.
What gives me the shivers running down my spine is that this low chilling hours are balanced out by a vengeance of record breaking cold spells or weird weather events like the Arctic blasts come January or February. Although a chance of snow is a welcome sight, just like 7 years ago, provided, it won't stay below the mid 20's. I hope I am wrong on this. |
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Laaz Site Owner
Joined: 12 Nov 2005 Posts: 5682 Location: Dorchester County, South Carolina
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Posted: Tue 02 Dec, 2008 11:52 pm |
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We are in the same boat. We have below normal for the last month or so. _________________ Wal-Mart a great place to buy cheap plastic crap ! http://walmartwatch.com/ ...
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Dylan Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2008 Posts: 69 Location: Santa Barbara, CA
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Posted: Wed 03 Dec, 2008 2:14 am |
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Our weather down here has been quite strange and weird for the month of November. Many days were up into the 80's during the day and down into the 40's at night. We should have been only in the low 70's high 60's. My Satsuma is covered in small fruit now after booming the past month. Other plants have been pushing out new growth like my mango and avocados. I sure hope we don't get a cold snap too fast or else I'm in trouble. |
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Las Palmas Norte Citruholic
Joined: 18 Nov 2005 Posts: 199 Location: Lantzville, Vancouver Island
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Posted: Thu 04 Dec, 2008 4:15 pm |
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I think in general, the Pacific and western regions have been milder this fall. We've had about 60% of our normal rainfall and temps where above average for the same period. All the local ski areas are hoping for snow, which in my opinion, is where it should be, not down at sea level. :lol:
Cheers, Barrie. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Thu 04 Dec, 2008 6:24 pm |
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Night temperatures here in Colorado have been in the 20's every night since the middle of November. It has been snowing all day today, this is our third snow storm this fall. Another snow storm is expected next Monday. Tonight's low is forecast to be 12F and tomorrow night's temperature to drop to 7F. Many of Colorado's ski area already have a 6-foot snow base. Looks to be a nice winter this year. What ever happened to global warming?. - Millet |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Thu 04 Dec, 2008 7:26 pm |
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Millet wrote: | What ever happened to "global warming", I have not heard a word about it a long long time. - Millet |
BTW, there is a large net melting effect when you tally the sizes of all the world's glaciers. The Greenland and the polar ice pack has retreated, and this year is second to the record of the least amount of surface ice the planet has ever experienced. The key words are global temperature averages, net volume of glaciers and net surface area of ice packs at the comparable seasonal times.
The word global climate has been replaced with global climatic change. And I gave up educating people on it. it is very frustrating when you want to communicate something so complex. It requires simultaneous differential equations in order to understand the complex climate of the earth, dating back several billion years. And very few people will ever have the capability to understand, even if you put those complex interactions for the world's fastest computers to simplify for the rest of us.
And hopefully, I won't bring up this Don Quixote topics as often and exercise restraints discussing it further. So I'd rather just be discussing about citrus, other fruit crops, plants, veggies, maybe some energy efficiency and other cool plant growing tips to save money, something more practical that each of us can do, and always have better and more pleasant conversation. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6656 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2008 11:55 am |
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Last night the temperature fell to five below zero (-5F = -20C). Needless to say the greenhouse heater ran all night. - Millet |
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A.T. Hagan Moderator
Joined: 14 Dec 2005 Posts: 898 Location: Gainesville, Florida, United States, Earth - Sol III
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Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2008 12:25 pm |
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On the other hand, here in Florida we're getting a lot more cool weather than we normally do. We had frosts past our average last frost date last spring. It never got as hot as we normally experience it during the summer. We had a week of downright cool weather the last week of September when we are normally at the height of hurricane season. We got our first frost on October 30th in my area, a full month earlier than we normally experience them then two more after that before December first which is our average first frost date for my area.
That last front dropped a nice rain, but other than that it's been unusually dry around here.
Climate is what you expect, weather is what you get.
.....Alan. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Fri 05 Dec, 2008 12:40 pm |
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Excellent statement on weather and climate Alan!
Anyway, this year, it is very interesting weather, and these are reflected in the way fruits were ripening. It started from a very orderly almost simultaneous blooms from drier winter with a lot of chilling hours early this season. We've had prolonged dry but cooler late winter to mid spring, few daytime temperatures going beyond 100's when normally we've had 15. But we've had many 80's to 90's that extended well into mid-fall. I haven't computed if it is warmer overall this year than normal but I guess, overall it balanced out to be the same average seasonal temperature.
What happened was tupsy-turvy ordering of the ripening of my stone and pome fruits. There was a compressing of the various harvest dates due to cool early season and prolonged warm days during the summer, but no hot days.
Due to the late arrival of warm summer temperatures, all of my early season stone fruits were harvested later, around end of June to early July instead of late May. And my late season fruits were bombarded with consecutive warm summer days that extended into early fall. I used to harvest my last chance peach usually in mid-November, and my Fuji and Pink Lady apples in mid to late December. But come early October this year, they all ripened and had to harvest them! They're excellent tasting, as can be expected, and am not complaining.
And now the winter is very mild, and I can just feel it that very cold air mass will come to visit us again this coming late winter to make-up for the mild early winter. That means, I'd better prepare for the cold blast like I did a couple of years back. |
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JoeReal Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2005 Posts: 4726 Location: Davis, California
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Posted: Sat 03 Jan, 2009 9:47 am |
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Well, the lowest chilling hours of November has been cancelled by the coolest December ever. We've racked up additional 501 chilling hours for the month of December for a total accumulation of 601 chilling hours that is the biggest in seven years. We averaged about 16 chilling hours per day in December. And it is the month of December that the chilling hours will matter the most.
Let's hope that this cool December is enough to ward off the evil spirits of late season Arctic Blasts in January to March. |
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