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TRI
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Posted: Wed 14 Apr, 2010 10:54 pm

Does this look like asymmetrical leaf mottling?

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Posted: Wed 14 Apr, 2010 11:24 pm

There is no swollen veins or yellow veins on the leaves though. The other leaves do not have such mottling symmetry. Maybe just a fluke and nothing to worry about?
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Malcolm_Manners
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Posted: Thu 15 Apr, 2010 12:54 am

I don't see anything on this leaf that looks like any symptom of greening. I think it's just an old leaf.
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Posted: Thu 15 Apr, 2010 3:02 am

This leaf come from a meyer lemon tree.
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Hershell
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Posted: Thu 15 Apr, 2010 11:11 am

TRI that looks typical of an old leaf. as bad as HLB is there is so little information published and I have every thing that I could find. I was aslo worried that some of my trees had it so I called the state and they sent an inspector. They come through pretty often but they cant even tell me on the spot yes or no so they take samples and I get a negative report later. One member here told me that it is easier to identify if you look at the tree one limb at a time and if one limb shows symptoms then it is pretty positive but not all over the tree at once. and if the tree is infected it could be a long time before it shows up. My advice after going down this same road is dont worry about it ,if it is there it will show up.

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Posted: Fri 16 Apr, 2010 2:18 pm

Here is another leaf from the same tree.


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Posted: Fri 16 Apr, 2010 3:29 pm

Looks like an old leaf to me. That is normal, I worried about having a yellow leaf for a solid year after the 2008 expo because 90% of the expo was about HLB but if will drive you crazy if you let it. Beleave me if one of my trees has it the state will not get to destroy it, they are not fast enough I want it done immediately. from what I understand usually one limb will look totally different from the others, even though the entire tree is infected. TRI do you have a booklet on HLB?

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Posted: Sat 17 Apr, 2010 5:47 am

I wish there was a test kit for Greening. It's one of those thing you want to know you don't have lurking.
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Posted: Sat 17 Apr, 2010 12:07 pm

Citrus greening has the potential to destroy citrus all over the world. It is not yet present in Austrailia, but it will probably someday be endemic there also. In the next five to ten years mesh screens around the citrus or greenhouse maybe necessary to cultivate citrus profitably. Could New York be the next citrus belt?



One possible solution would be to make the citrus plant cold tolerant to grow in areas too cold for ACP or resistant to HLB bacteria infection. I read recently though that aspirin may reduce the symptoms for citrus greening.


India at one time had a very robust citrus industry that was ruined by citrus greening. It is so common in many places in southeast Asia that most young citrus never mature and produce marketable fruit. This disease is a big time problem in most of the world where citrus is cultivated.

The real name for the disease is Huanglongbing.
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Posted: Sat 17 Apr, 2010 4:10 pm

Have you noticed this a topic that very few will even comment on? I cant find out much more than I knew 2 years ago. There is a home test for HLB, I bought the correct Iodine an did several test, some were positive, some were negative, results were that the test is worthless. Georgia is quarantened, why because one tree was found around Savannah that was infected. The tree that was found in South Carolina was there for three mounths befere it was removed. If they were really trying to control this problem we could at least meet with them when they come to inspect trees but if I am not here I get no advance notice that they are coming, they just look, take samples and leave! I have questions, I am concerned but this is Govt. at its best. The USDA Animal And Plant Health Inspection Service Plant Protection And Quarantine #for Ga. is 770-860-4028

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Posted: Sat 17 Apr, 2010 5:20 pm

Hershell wrote:
Have you noticed this a topic that very few will even comment on? I cant find out much more than I knew 2 years ago. There is a home test for HLB, I bought the correct Iodine an did several test, some were positive, some were negative, results were that the test is worthless. Georgia is quarantened, why because one tree was found around Savannah that was infected. The tree that was found in South Carolina was there for three mounths befere it was removed. If they were really trying to control this problem we could at least meet with them when they come to inspect trees but if I am not here I get no advance notice that they are coming, they just look, take samples and leave! I have questions, I am concerned but this is Govt. at its best. The USDA Animal And Plant Health Inspection Service Plant Protection And Quarantine #for Ga. is 770-860-4028



What kind of citrus trees in Georgia and South Carolina were HLB infected? I read that key lime trees do not often show symptoms. It seems that sweet oranges and mandarins have most severe symptoms.

There is a citrus grower in Florida who applies aspirin and nutrient cocktails to his HLB infected citrus trees and it seems successful! His grove recovered miraculously and was productive again with healthy normal sized fruit! The problem is this treatment is expensive and must be reapplied periodically or the symptoms reappear. If you apply the aspirin long enough it might cure HLB though. A cure is probably not that far off, I HOPE!
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Posted: Sat 17 Apr, 2010 9:33 pm

Information of variety is not available or if any have a resistance and it does affect other plants.

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Posted: Tue 28 Feb, 2012 11:09 pm

We just completed a test at The University of Florida (IFAS) and had very positive results for greening. Did not kill the psylid but we did reverse the greening and produced healthy fruit again. Living in Florida and growing up with many citrus growers as friends it is devastating to see what it has done since 2005. taraisgreen.com

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Posted: Wed 29 Feb, 2012 1:03 pm

Scott is employed by a company that conducts various trials in the citrus groves. One of the trials that they are currently working on is an new product that hopefully will be of great help in the fight against citrus greening. I've ask him to tell us more about it and the company he works for. - Millet
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Posted: Wed 29 Feb, 2012 1:18 pm

Millet,

Thank you for the introduction. My company Tara Solutions is based in Tampa, Fl and we provide all natural growing solutions for crops, plants and turf.

We just concluded a year long test with The University of Florida (IFAS) on a grove in Florida that had greening. After the year test the IFAS agent made the following quote " Prior to the trial the grove had over 50% greening and at the end of the trial the grove was 95% greening free and producing good fruit again."

We are not claiming to have had killed the greeening because we have not, but we have reveresed the symptoms and allowed the grove to produce healthy fruit again. The way we do this is simple and nothing new. We provide the tree with foliar nutrition and create an extremely healthy tree again. The IFAS agent we were working with was very excited at the results and held a seminar about our products on the 22nd of February at his extension office. We had a larger than normal turnout and also have had great responses from home growers and large commercial growers.

Our products are not just for citrus. We have had great sucess in the midwest on corn, soy, wheat etc.... We are also working with strawberry farmers in Plant City. I would be happy to send anyone information via email if you would like to see more information. Also you can visit our website. taraisgreen.com

I appreciate your time and also the opportunity to share this information with you.

Kind regards,

Scott Silvest
ssilvest@taraisgreen.com
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