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Mark_T
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Posted: Sun 14 Feb, 2010 1:40 am

My FD seeds seem to be producing a lot of (dual offspring) per seed. One is always much larger than the other. I believe one is the zygote right and that is the hyrbrid seedling? Right now I'm keeping both, but beyond growing one healthy tree for future fruit, the rest of these seedlings are intended for me to experiment with grafting. What is the best practice to follow with these?
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Posted: Sun 14 Feb, 2010 6:02 pm

I find that when I prick them out of the germinating tray into their own pot, they catch up quickly with their "twin". I still use them. I find that just having them for a rootstock that is cold hardy and good for my sandy soil makes them acceptable for what I need them for. The little I may lose on the height makes no difference to me.

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Posted: Sun 14 Feb, 2010 6:22 pm

So the twin, is going to be the same as the sister seedling? I don't get citrus reproduction yet.
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Posted: Sun 14 Feb, 2010 11:22 pm

Reverse, You can't assume that the larger or the smaller one is the zygotic seedling. In most cases, the zygote died long ago, and you're looking at two nucellar seedlings. Seedling size, at first, is based on how much of the seed that embryo (with its bit of food-holding cotyledon) occupied. Once they have grown for a while, on their own photosynthetic power, then you can rogue them more successfully, if you choose to. And in that case, the true FD seedlings will tend to be shorter, with much more curled thorns. Also, specifically having just 2 seedlings is not a constant or necessarily typical thing -- you can get from 1 to 7 (maybe more??) from a seed. Each variety will have a characteristic average, but with much variation from seed to seed. But I'd think the production of precisely one nucellar and one zygotic seedling would be rare.
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Posted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010 12:46 am

Malcolm_Manners wrote:
Reverse, You can't assume that the larger or the smaller one is the zygotic seedling. In most cases, the zygote died long ago, and you're looking at two nucellar seedlings. Seedling size, at first, is based on how much of the seed that embryo (with its bit of food-holding cotyledon) occupied. Once they have grown for a while, on their own photosynthetic power, then you can rogue them more successfully, if you choose to. And in that case, the true FD seedlings will tend to be shorter, with much more curled thorns. Also, specifically having just 2 seedlings is not a constant or necessarily typical thing -- you can get from 1 to 7 (maybe more??) from a seed. Each variety will have a characteristic average, but with much variation from seed to seed. But I'd think the production of precisely one nucellar and one zygotic seedling would be rare.


Thank you, this makes sense since they all show the typical trifoliate leaves. The smaller sized, based on the actual part of the seed they had is use is something I didn't think of. Based on my limited knowledge and reading on this topic, I thought polyembronic seeds produced one true to type (nucellar) and (if) the second survived, one hybrid or zygote.

I've only been growing Citrus for a short time, but so far I've only seen two seedlings from one seed, at least that knew for sure.
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citrusgalore
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Posted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010 1:59 am

I didn't mean to infer that the second embryo was any particular type, that is why I enclosed it in quotation marks. Sorry reversethong....

In the 100 or so seedlings I have germinated, not a single one has been the true FD. I understand the true zygote seedling is a rare one....few and far between, so to speak.

Out of the last two batches of 50 seeds set, only two seeds from each set produced two embryos each. The rest were single seedlings. Now explain that! Exactly 39 germinated from each set of 50. I found it odd that the numbers were the same. Is this common?

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Mark_T
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Posted: Mon 15 Feb, 2010 2:15 am

The latest batch I'm germinating has produced 7 seedlings out of 4 germinated seeds.
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