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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1029 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Fri 22 Nov, 2013 1:53 pm |
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I attended the Citrus Show last night in LaMarque,TX. The speaker was Monte Nesbitt of TAMU. Apparently he worked several years as a researcher for the Alabama citrus industry. He gave an excellent talk on how to grow excellent quality satsuma fruit, very informative.
I have been plagued with poor quality satsuma fruit even on trees as old as 13 years, still haven't got an excellent quality fruit from a 13 year old Seto.
He recommends fertilizing early, before the bloom and reduce water stress. For the Gulf coast area fertilize Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Father's Day, 60%, 20%, 20%. Water diligently from budbreak through early fruit drop.
You must set lots of blooms to get thin-skinned satsumas.
Best of all his recommendations were from actual field experience and scientific discovery.
I've asked him if he can send me electronic copies of his talk, best talk I've heard on citrus in the Gulf Coast.
I haven't attended the LaMarque citrus show since the early 2000s as it was 2 hour drive from Beaumont were I was living. Back then there were lots of entries for "cold hardy" citrus. Last night, none!
I've posted some slides on my website:
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joeb Citruholic
Joined: 23 Dec 2009 Posts: 29 Location: Statesboro, Ga. zone 8b
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Posted: Sat 23 Nov, 2013 8:22 pm |
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I also have poor quality satsumas,I am going to follow Dr. Nesbiths advise on fertilizing this coming year. If you can I would also like a copy of his talk. Just let me what you need me to do to get a copy. Thanks Joe b. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 12:19 am |
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Monte Nesbitt a previous researcher for the Alabama citrus industry. Sounds much like the same talk that was given in Clanton Alabama at Expo 2013. Fertilize on Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Father's Day. Perhaps it is the Alabama talk.
Phil, I assume that 60%, 20%, 20% must have something to do with rates. Tell us what exactly does it mean? I'm not particularity clear on it. - Thanks Millet |
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Tom Citruholic
Joined: 11 Nov 2008 Posts: 258 Location: Alabama [Central]
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 1:19 am |
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Monte Nesbitt also did an enormous amount of work with Pecans. I've always thought Texas A&M hired him for both citrus and pecans. He has published his work in both the citrus and pecan industries. Texas has the most organized state pecan association and Monte had lots of articles in their monthly magazine. Like just about every month. Monte's former pecan boss at Auburn is named Bill Goff. Dr. Goff is responsible for exporting the very best pecans to China and there by increasing the price to farmers in USA by at least double. I must add that Dr Goff worked with Dr Powell at Auburn for years. Dr. Powell is a very good pecan man himself. As evidenced by his Petals from the Past, Dr. Powell is pretty good at lots of things fruit related. Tom _________________ Tom in central Alabama |
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 393 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 1:38 am |
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Phil,
thank you very much for the info! I would like to have Monte's presentation as well if possible!
I thought that we may have a freeze(s) well after Valentine's day and fertilizing before a freeze may kill citrus. Did Monte comment on early fertilization and freeze?
Thank you again!
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skinn30a Citruholic
Joined: 17 May 2012 Posts: 106 Location: Santa Rosa Beach, FL 32459
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 1:51 am |
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Millet,
He's suggesting that you should stagger a tree's yearly allotment of soil applied fertilizer into 3 feedings throughout the growing season as opposed to a single one at the beginning of it - If a tree is to receive 10lbs of 10-10-10 per year, then 60% of it (6lbs) should be applied on Valentines day, 20% (2lbs) should be applied on Mother's day, and the other 20% or (2lb) should be applied on Father's day.
I'm confident that this rule of thumb does not apply to a controlled release product...I doubt that an Southern states grower would want to apply a 6mo slow release in June as any fertilizer application after August is a no no given that new growth after August does not have the chance to harden off prior to colder weather. I'm sure also that this is for trees grown in-ground.
Best,
Skinn30 _________________ Zone: Border of 9a/8b
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1029 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 2:31 am |
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GT wrote: | Phil,
thank you very much for the info! I would like to have Monte's presentation as well if possible!
I thought that we may have a freeze(s) well after Valentine's day and fertilizing before a freeze may kill citrus. Did Monte comment on early fertilization and freeze?
Thank you again!
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No, but he did say the fertilizer needed to be applied before bloom for best effect.
BTW I asked him about what to do about leaf footed bugs and he couldn't off much help. Leaf footed bugs have some years ruined 100% of my crop if I didn't spray. One attendee said spray them with soap and ammonia 2 tablespoons each per gallon. |
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 7:34 am |
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It seems the dates of Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Father's Day are not the same all around the world. Could you tell us the dates?
I am also very interested by the Monte's presentation. |
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ilyaC Citruholic
Joined: 04 Sep 2009 Posts: 273 Location: France, 40km South of Paris
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 11:33 am |
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Sylvain wrote: |
I am also very interested by the Monte's presentation. |
I guess that at least part of it is already is quoted by mrtexas , (go to mrtexascitrus, it is not very obvious , this site). _________________ Best regards,
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 1:19 pm |
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Sylvain, Valentine's day is February 14, Mothers day is the second Sunday of May, and Father's day is the third Sunday in June. - Millet |
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1029 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 2:07 pm |
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Sylvain wrote: | It seems the dates of Valentine's Day, Mother's Day, and Father's Day are not the same all around the world. Could you tell us the dates?
I am also very interested by the Monte's presentation. |
Those dates are for upper Gulf Coast region. The dates are for early budbreak, fruit swell, and 1" diameter fruit. |
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Millet Citruholic
Joined: 13 Nov 2005 Posts: 6657 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun 24 Nov, 2013 3:18 pm |
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It is important to understand that it is the warm winter temperatures , not irrigation of late fertilization, that plays the MAJOR role in stimulating untimely winter flushes of large mature trees. However, when unseasonably warm temperatures occur, young trees may flush more easily than larger mature trees, especially trees planted the previous fall. If such young trees flush during winter months, late fertilization may stimulate ADDITIONAL, tender growth that could make trees even more susceptible. Consider the degree of flush, tree size, time of year and geographic location when making this decision. - Millet |
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Sylvain Site Admin
Joined: 16 Nov 2007 Posts: 790 Location: Bergerac, France.
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Posted: Mon 25 Nov, 2013 4:42 am |
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Thank you IlyaC.
Thank you Millet. Here the mother day is two weeks later.
Thank you MrTexas. Yes the dates don't fit everywhere. In 2012 at St Valentine it was -15°C here! |
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GT Citruholic
Joined: 11 Jul 2010 Posts: 393 Location: Beaumont, TX (zone 9a)
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Posted: Tue 26 Nov, 2013 1:02 am |
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mrtexas wrote: |
BTW I asked him about what to do about leaf footed bugs and he couldn't off much help. Leaf footed bugs have some years ruined 100% of my crop if I didn't spray. One attendee said spray them with soap and ammonia 2 tablespoons each per gallon. |
Yeah, they constantly attack my pome... I also went to a new farm in China: seems like leaf footed bugs ruined every other fruit on his satsumas. I am spraying mine with spinosad and looks like the bugs do not like it. |
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mrtexas Citruholic
Joined: 02 Dec 2005 Posts: 1029 Location: 9a Missouri City,TX
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Posted: Thu 28 Nov, 2013 2:12 am |
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Monte sent me a copy of both presentations. Email me and I will forward a copy. |
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