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Laaz
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Posted: Sat 02 Feb, 2008 6:20 pm

We are just into Feb which can bring some very cold blasts down from Canada. When we get a week of temps like this http://www.weather.com/outlook/travel/businesstraveler/tenday/29418?from=36hr_topnav_business
and then get a quick artic blast it can do some real damage. Lets hope winter is almost over and we don't get anymore artic blasts...

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Posted: Wed 13 Feb, 2008 3:01 pm

I don't know about you guys, but we are sure getting another one! Several days ago we hit 78 for a high and there was not a low under 40 in the 10 day forecast--but then they started dropping the forecast low for tonight--upper 30s--then mid 30s--now they are predicting a low of 33-34. I don't know if I should cover or not--only the lemon is starting to flush--and even there the buds are less than 1/8 inch.

Wind will drop to around 5 mph tonight--right now it is really blowing --25 to 30 mph. I don't think we will get frost tonight, but it is going to be close to frost conditions if the wind stops.

Temp has been dropping all morning--it was mid 40s at daylight and we were suppose to get to 50s by mid day, but we are now at 38 at 11AM. I just checked NOAA's forecast and they have dropped it again to 32-- I think I will wrap the lemon tree.

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Posted: Wed 13 Feb, 2008 8:32 pm

The predicted low just keeps dropping--they are now predicting 30. The wind is dying down already, so we could get a hard frost. The weatherman did not see this one comming 2-3 days ago.

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Posted: Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:18 pm

Yep, they didn't. Along about five or six our prediction dropped to 29. Greenhouse is buttoned up. Grove is already leafless so I'm leaving it be.

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Posted: Wed 13 Feb, 2008 11:23 pm

Unbelievable you guys are getting hit harder than we are. 36 for a low here tonight. I put some sheets on the stuff that is blooming.

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Posted: Thu 14 Feb, 2008 2:41 am

Temps are really variable-- local Pensacola TV station is showing current temp at 29 on the 10:00 news. They showed several of the local school weather stations--some were as high as 36 --some already below 30 and they were not always the ones further inland. Glad I covered everything.

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Posted: Thu 14 Feb, 2008 11:14 am

Pensacola local TV station is showing a current temp of 25 this morning--the official weather station at the airport says 32. Lots of weather stations in the area were in the mid to upper 20s. We did get a heavy frost--probably the heaviest of the year.

I think this is the kind of trouble Lazz was talking about at the start of this thread with the additional factor of catching everybody by surprise at the last minute.

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Posted: Tue 26 Feb, 2008 12:47 pm

Here we go again! A few days ago we were not suppose to go below upper 30s for the week--now we are headed for the freezing mark--everything except the satsumas and kumquats is starting to flush. Strong winds will make covering difficult, but will probably prevent frost.

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Posted: Tue 26 Feb, 2008 12:57 pm

A typical Florida spring. We're predicted to see 28 come Wednesday night with winds at 7-9 mph. The figs had already leafed out and were bit in the last freeze. I noticed my mulberry tree in the henyard had broken bud over the weekend so it'll be bit. The citrus haven't tried to leaf out again after the last time they were bit and I'm hoping they don't until at least mid-March. Only a few blossoms on the pear trees so far which means maybe I'll get some fruit this year.

I hadn't taken the greenhouse stuff out since the last time so all I have to do is close it up. They're shaping up to be the best looking I've ever achieved so far. Sure hope I can fend off the grasshoppers and leaf miners better than last year!

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Posted: Thu 28 Feb, 2008 7:07 pm

How did you do Alan? We hit 32 this morning and we did get a light frost on the ground. I did not cover any of the citrus, but I think they made it OK. The lemon and most of the grafts on it are just starting to grow--I can see blooms on the lemon, calamondin, and page mandarin, but no blooms yet in anything else. My Ponkan, Daisy and Moro are all just starting to flush--in a couple weeks they will be really vulnerable.

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Posted: Thu 28 Feb, 2008 7:30 pm

We were at freezing or below from 3:30 to 8:00 this morning, bottoming out at 28. Probably zapped the mulberry. I don't think the stuff that got zapped in the last freeze had leafed out again. We're predicted to go to 30 tonight.

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Posted: Thu 28 Feb, 2008 9:10 pm

Hit 28 here last night. Wacked all the blooms & new growth on my grapefruit & clementine... Strange thing is the Orlando & Navel blooms & new growth looks fine. Oh well they should flush out again very soon...

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Posted: Fri 25 Apr, 2008 3:05 pm

I haven't seen temperatures lower than the 40s for at least a couple of weeks now, but it has been a cool spring so far and some areas around me did have frost last week. A friend in David (near Joe) said he had many things fried from frost.

There is much talk about global warming but reports that run contrary to the mass hysteria doesn't get much press coverage. A friend shared this with me yesterday which gives warnings based on solar activity: http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/global_warming_ice_age/2008/04/24/90591.html.

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Posted: Fri 25 Apr, 2008 3:44 pm

Harvey, I cannot seem to get your link to work. My screen says "The Page Cannot Be Found" when I click on the link. Anyway, the wording "Global Warming" is no llonger much used by the proponents, "Climate Change" seems to now be in vogue. A recent article published in the Denver Post, and also broadcasted on KOA radio, is that Russian scientists are actually predicting Global Cooling. - Millet
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Posted: Fri 25 Apr, 2008 4:10 pm

Hmm...still works for me, maybe the link is broken in the post.

Here's the article:


Scientist: Earth Cooling, Not Warming

Thursday, April 24, 2008 10:53 AM

By: Philip V. Brennan

A San Francisco-based scientist says that current solar activity strongly indicates that the earth is on the verge of a new ice age.

"Sorry to ruin the fun, but an ice age cometh," warns Phil Chapman writing in The Australian. Chapman is a geophysicist and astronautical engineer who was the first Australian to become a NASA astronaut.

"The scariest photo I have seen . . . is at www.spaceweather.com, where you will find a real-time image of the sun from the Solar and Heliospheric Observatory [SOHO], located in deep space at the equilibrium point between solar and terrestrial gravity," Chapman wrote, adding ominously that "what is scary about the picture is that there is only one tiny sunspot."

"This is where SOHO comes in," he explained. "The sunspot number follows a cycle of somewhat variable length, averaging 11 years. The most recent minimum was in March last year. The new cycle, No. 24, was supposed to start soon after that, with a gradual build-up in sunspot numbers."

That, he writes did not happen. "The first sunspot appeared in January this year and lasted only two days. A tiny spot appeared last Monday but vanished within 24 hours. Another little spot appeared this Monday. Pray that there will be many more, and soon."

Why? According to Chapman "there is a close correlation between variations in the sunspot cycle and earth's climate. The previous time a cycle was delayed like this was in the Dalton Minimum, an especially cold period that lasted several decades from 1790. Northern winters became ferocious: in particular, the rout of Napoleon's Grand Army during the retreat from Moscow in 1812 was at least partly due to the lack of sunspots."

Although the rapid temperature decline in 2007 coincided with the failure of cycle No. 24 to begin on schedule is not proof of a causal connection, Chapman warns that it is cause for concern.

"Disconcerting as it may be to true believers in global warming," he explains, "the average temperature on earth has remained steady or slowly declined during the past decade, despite the continued increase in the atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide, and now the global temperature is falling precipitously.

"All four agencies that track earth's temperature [the Hadley Climate Research Unit in Britain, the NASA Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York, the Christy group at the University of Alabama, and Remote Sensing Systems Inc in California] report that it cooled by about 0.7 C in 2007." This, he says is "the fastest temperature change in the instrumental record and it puts us back where we were in 1930. If the temperature does not soon recover, we will have to conclude that global warming is over."

Moreover, he says, there is also plenty of anecdotal evidence that 2007 was exceptionally cold, noting that it snowed in Baghdad for the first time in centuries, the winter in China was simply terrible and the extent of Antarctic sea ice in the austral winter was the greatest on record since James Cook discovered the place in 1770.

Chapman wrote that the global warming dogma should be put aside, "at least to begin contingency planning about what to do if we are moving into another little ice age, similar to the one that lasted from 1100 to 1850."

How bad could a new little ice age be? "Much worse than the previous one and much more harmful than anything warming may do. There are many more people now, and we have become dependent on a few temperate agricultural areas, especially in the U.S. and Canada." Global warming, he added, "would increase agricultural output, but global cooling will decrease it. Millions will starve if we do nothing to prepare for it [such as planning changes in agriculture to compensate], and millions more will die from cold-related diseases."

And grim as that outlook is, Chapman predicts that there is also another possibility, remote but much more serious — the Greenland and Antarctic ice cores and other evidence show that for the past several million years, severe glaciation has almost always afflicted our planet and under normal conditions, most of North America and Europe are buried under about 1.5 km of ice.

This bitterly frigid climate is interrupted occasionally by brief warm interglacials, typically lasting less than 10,000 years.

The present interglacial period we have enjoyed throughout recorded human history, called the Holocene, began 11,000 years ago, so an ice age is overdue. And glaciation can occur quickly: The required decline in global temperature is about 12 C and it can happen in 20 years.

His conclusions: "The next descent into an ice age is inevitable but may not happen for another 1,000 years. On the other hand, it must be noted that the cooling in 2007 was even faster than in typical glacial transitions. If it continued for 20 years, the temperature would be 14 C cooler in 2027."

By then, he writes, "most of the advanced nations would have ceased to exist, vanishing under the ice, and the rest of the world would be faced with a catastrophe beyond imagining."

"All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinders and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead," he writes. "It will be difficult for people to face the truth when their reputations, careers, government grants or hopes for social change depend on global warming, but the fate of civilisation may be at stake."

© 2008 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

I know that most reports now use the term "global climate change". How can they go wrong with that??? The underlying thought, though, is still that we are warming. I've read "global warming" can result in warmer temperatues, colder temperatures, more rain, less rain. There might be a problem with higher CO2 levels, but they sure don't provide a clear case for that with all of the whacky claims. At a recent meeting of the aviation industry a scientist said we need higher CO2 levels becamse we're going to get very cold without them. Pretty confusing. God help us!

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