Hi,

My father-in-law has a grafted tree and it has fruits on now.He remembers that the graft could be C35 or Carrizo citrange.

The fruit is smaller than average C35 fruit and it is more in orange color.Our C35 trees produce bigger fruits with more yellow color.
Also leaves are a little bit different, still trifoliate style but different.



So I belive this is a Carrizo citrange fruit but I need your approval What do you think?

Btw, it has the gluey poncirus trifoliata feel and the smell.If Carrizo name has not been spelled by my father-in-law, I could say this is a poncirus trifoliata fruit.

were you brave enough to taste it?

Yes, I was.
It was similar to Poncirus but not that bad, a little bit sour than poncirus.

Interesting, how cold did it see and would you eat it again?

Not a strong cold or freeze occurs there, 22-26F minimum.
Would I eat it again...absolutely not

I don't think it is something different, probably it is a standart carrizo but I need an approval

looks great tastey though

Hi again,

I took new photos of leaves, maybe this can help better



I talked to my father-in-law and he mentioned that the rootstock is sour orange and he never budded poncirus trifoliata to that tree, so probably it is carrizo.

Best,

Mehmet

I'd agree that it's a citrange. But they all look quite a lot alike. I can't tell the difference between Carrizo, Troyer, and Kuharski, and I can recognize Rusk only if a mature tree is growing next to the others (it's a bit less vigorous). But I think we can agree that it is a citrange of some sort.

Thanks Malcolm_Manners, so we may call it carrizo.

This year I bought carrizo seeds from the univercity but haven't had a chance to see the trees.I will aks for a visit next year.

"so we may call it carrizo."

Not yet. I am not convinced this
tree is a Carrizo. What I want to
know is how long or how short are
the thorns in length? Do the thorns
have a sharp pointed tip or are they
somewhat rounded? The difference
is that one pierces rather easily, much
like a Mexican Lime that seems to
reach out and grab us and give us
a needle prick reminder we got too
close to the tree. Rounded tips
tend to scratch the skin as we brush
up or brush by the thorn rather than
pierce the skin.

Another thing that I do not recall
is Carrizo producing a winged
petiole, seldom if it does yield
a winged petiole every now and
then, unlike several of the other
Citranges can. There may be
some variant forms of Carrizo
out and about that I am not
familiar with but I've been
around the old line plant.

Since you mentioned having
C-35, do you also have C-32?

Jim

A clarification is in order: Carrizo
does produce a winged petiole if
we want to be overly technical
about it. The petiole is much
more slenderized (roughly 1/8
inch wide on my tree) than
several of the Citranges are
in comparison.

Just curious but do you ever
see in the exterior portion of
the tree (side growth) leaves
with single lobes and also see
any leaves with two lobes (one
long central lobe and only one
side lobe)?

Jim

Jim, honestly I love how you handle a case in a more scientific way

The tree is at the farm and I only have chance to visit at weekends so I can't answer your thorns and lobes questions now.
I asked my father-in-law to phone and ask about it to whom he got the budwood.The answer was Carrizo again but people can make mistakes.

So I will check the thorns and exterior portion, this will help better.

Thanks for your interest.

To be candid my Carrizo was a grafted
Honey Mandarin in which the scion died
out after a major freeze we had in 1990.
All I had left was the surviving rootstock.

Sometimes with the Citranges thorn
placement comes into play such as
thorns well below a node or halfway
between two nodes, thorns just under
a node, thorns just above a node and
thorns emanating from a node. Could
be I am losing it but I've seen other
trees and photos from the California
Citrus Rootstocks pamphlet that show
some of the thorn placement I've seen
on other trees that I felt let me have an
idea what was what. Certainly is not
scientific but more so visual traits that
I felt could give me a better hint as
to what it was. Just like the shapes
of the leaves, which one has the
pointed central lobe and has two
rounded end side lobes as an
example of another Citrange.

What is confusing about the tree you
have pictured is the size of the fruit
and the size of the leaves. It is the
leaf size and the relative thickness
of the leaves compared to my tree
is a little confusing at the moment.
May be attributed to better nutrition
than my tree gets as a landscape
tree but then again better nutrition
may not solely be the case here.
I will say that the fruit does look
like a Carrizo but then again my
fruit this year are quite small in
size compared to most years.

For now all we can say is that
your tree may be a Carrizo or
a variant form of it but we need
more information to be more
sure of this tree. Too early to
call it a Carrizo just yet but that
is just my way of looking at it.

Jim

It was too cold and rainy to visit the farm at weekend, I will have a chance to visit this week and I will check the tree.

Hi,

I visited the farm yesterday and I have the answers now;

1. In my opinion, thorns have a sharp pointed tip instead of a rounded tip.And the length of the thorns are 1 inch maximum.Here is a photo;



2. Yes, there are leaves with single lobes and also leaves with two lobes (one
long central lobe and only one side lobe) in the exterior portion of the tree (side growth).I was wondering if I can see those leaves easily but when I checked, I noticed there are many leaves like that.
Single lobed leaves are a little bit bigger in size.

Btw, leaf size is variable, not all the leaves are in same size.






Best,