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Darkman
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Posted: Wed 21 Jul, 2010 11:10 pm

I'm looking for crossbreeds that will grow well and fruit in Pensacola, Fl 8b/9a. My soil is a sand base. I have listed some of the ones that I believe show promise. I would like your comments and corrections on the list. The notes I have gathered are from all over the web. Mostly from Southern university papers but some from hobbists expierences and some from sales brochures which is a flip of a coin on their reliability. So if you see something that doesn't look right let me know. If you like another variety tell me why. If you know other attributes or especially problems about a variety I listed tell me about them. All comments are welcome and appreciated even if you think I'm nuts. I am only interested in the Crossbreeds here as I will post other types in separate post to try and keep it on topic.

Yeah I know I copied and pasted but I can't type and my hand is getting tired. Anyway I appreciate the help and advice.

Thanks and this is the last one tonight I promise.

Crossbreeds - you know those that have weird names

Orangequat - Nippon
Cold hardy to 10 degrees
Developed by Dr. Eugene May
Limequat - Eustis
Cold hardy to 20 degrees
Lime substitute
Fruits all year
Self fruitful
Tangelo - Orlando
Cold hardy
Needs pollinator
Large tree requires more fertilizer
Bears fruit in 3-4 years from seed
Fruit matures November through January
Citrangequat – Thomasville
Cold hardy to 5 degrees
15’ tree
Very prolific
Unripe fruit taste like Lime
Fruit matures late fall

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John Bonzo
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Posted: Thu 22 Jul, 2010 1:06 am

Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Nippon (satsuma X kumquat), since you are in an area that grows Satsumas easily.

I really like limequats. I prefer Lakeland to Eustis (both have the same parentage) simply because the fruit is a little big larger and 1-2 fewer seeds on average. But that difference really is not a big deal.

Orlando Tangelos are ok. I much prefer Minneola, but they are late-maturing.

I wouldn't bother with a Citrangequat, either, since you are in an area that can grow other more tasty citrus. If you are looking for something for an acid hardy juice, I would do a Calamondin.
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Darkman
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Location: Pensacola Florida South of I-10 Zone 8b/9a

Posted: Thu 22 Jul, 2010 11:57 pm

Personally, I wouldn't bother with the Nippon (satsuma X kumquat), since you are in an area that grows Satsumas easily.

Good idea. Scratch the Nippon

I really like limequats. I prefer Lakeland to Eustis (both have the same parentage) simply because the fruit is a little big larger and 1-2 fewer seeds on average. But that difference really is not a big deal.

I'm not sure what I'm wanting but the sweeter lime taste of Eustis is appealing if I get that.

Orlando Tangelos are ok. I much prefer Minneola, but they are late-maturing.

I don't even know if I want a Tangelo. I think I get carried away sometimes. My preference is to sweet easy to peel fruit but there is a farmers maket around the corner and the variety may give me some bartering edge.

I wouldn't bother with a Citrangequat, either, since you are in an area that can grow other more tasty citrus. If you are looking for something for an acid hardy juice, I would do a Calamondin.

Probably wouldn't really care for the acid. The only burn I like is with good bourbon. LOL

The input is beneficial to me and puts my head back on my shoulders where it needs to stay. Having other people describe the various fruits is invaluable.

Thanks,

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mrtexas
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Posted: Fri 23 Jul, 2010 2:03 am

Darkman wrote:
I'm looking for crossbreeds that will grow well and fruit in Pensacola, Fl 8b/9a. My soil is a sand base. I have listed some of the ones that I believe show promise. I would like your comments and corrections on the list. The notes I have gathered are from all over the web. Mostly from Southern university papers but some from hobbists expierences and some from sales brochures which is a flip of a coin on their reliability. So if you see something that doesn't look right let me know. If you like another variety tell me why. If you know other attributes or especially problems about a variety I listed tell me about them. All comments are welcome and appreciated even if you think I'm nuts. I am only interested in the Crossbreeds here as I will post other types in separate post to try and keep it on topic.

Yeah I know I copied and pasted but I can't type and my hand is getting tired. Anyway I appreciate the help and advice.

Thanks and this is the last one tonight I promise.

Crossbreeds - you know those that have weird names

Orangequat - Nippon
Cold hardy to 10 degrees
Developed by Dr. Eugene May
Limequat - Eustis
Cold hardy to 20 degrees
Lime substitute
Fruits all year
Self fruitful
Tangelo - Orlando
Cold hardy
Needs pollinator
Large tree requires more fertilizer
Bears fruit in 3-4 years from seed
Fruit matures November through January
Citrangequat – Thomasville
Cold hardy to 5 degrees
15’ tree
Very prolific
Unripe fruit taste like Lime
Fruit matures late fall


Orangequat - Nippon
I have indio mandarinquat, an orangequat, the fruit is pretty but not very edible, way sour

Limequat
The ones I've tasted were inferior to key limes and smaller. I have both eustis and lakeland and will be budding nordman seedless nagami in the fall on my two plants.

Tangelo - Orlando
This is a really good fruit. Minneola fruit will freeze most of the time before it is ready in Pensacola, January-February. I grow both but I have 25+ trees in the ground and won't miss the Minneola or Valencia fruit when it freezes.

Citrangequat – Thomasville
This is completely inedible IMHO. If you can grow satsumas you certainly would want to waste space on this terrible tasting fruit.
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Darkman
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Posted: Sat 24 Jul, 2010 10:07 am

Hr. Texas thanks for the reply. Your comments and everyone elses is truely appreciated. I especially enjoy hearing from the Southern growers. Everyone has done a good job of helping me cut this lists down as I have too many varieties selected for the space I have.

Orangequat - Nippon
I have indio mandarinquat, an orangequat, the fruit is pretty but not very edible, way sour


Looks like the Orangequat isn't going to make it.

Limequat
The ones I've tasted were inferior to key limes and smaller. I have both eustis and lakeland and will be budding nordman seedless nagami in the fall on my two plants.


If I can get a cold hardy Lime to grow here I will not need the Limequats as I primarily want them for the lime taste.

Tangelo - Orlando
This is a really good fruit. Minneola fruit will freeze most of the time before it is ready in Pensacola, January-February. I grow both but I have 25+ trees in the ground and won't miss the Minneola or Valencia fruit when it freezes.


Due to my climate it looks like the Orlando is the winner provided it will fit in the final layout. I will of course give prefence to the ones that WILL grow here and taste great. So we will see soon.

Citrangequat – Thomasville
This is completely inedible IMHO. If you can grow satsumas you certainly would want to waste space on this terrible tasting fruit.


These guys really need some PR work. I think I can eliminate them completely for now.

The way it looks now, the only crossbreed that will get a good looking over is the Orlando Tangelo.

Thanks everyone,

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Charles in Pensacola

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Skeeter
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Location: Pensacola, FL zone 9

Posted: Sun 25 Jul, 2010 10:20 pm

For limes, your best bet is Key Lime in a container--but they need protection if temps are going below 40.

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frank_zone5.5
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 1:15 pm

The Thom Citraquat doesnt taste all that bad, it is no satsuma....................
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JackLord
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 3:46 pm

I have earmarked Mr. Texas for a box of Thomasvilles at Christmas. Wink

Of course, I have to get a crop first.

And were I in Pensacola, I would set my sights a bit higher.
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frank_zone5.5
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 3:56 pm

well sure

btw my thomassvill is flowering again and setting tons of fruit.........it is 3.5 feet high

wish all my citrus did this well
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Millet
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Location: Colorado

Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 4:56 pm

About a couple months ago my Thomasville Citrangequat made an excellent addition to the compost pile. Not worth having. - Millet (893-)
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frank_zone5.5
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 5:09 pm

yikes, why is that
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JackLord
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 5:39 pm

Mine is growing like crazy.
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frank_zone5.5
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 5:57 pm

JackLord wrote:
Mine is growing like crazy.


mine too!!!!!!!!!!
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JackLord
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Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 6:05 pm

frank_zone5.5 wrote:
JackLord wrote:
Mine is growing like crazy.


mine too!!!!!!!!!!


But yours is in the ground. Mine still resides in a pot, having only arrived in May. Gotta start somewhere.
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TRI
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Location: Homestead, FL Zone 10

Posted: Thu 05 Aug, 2010 10:21 pm

I thought nippon orangequart was sweet? I always wanted to plant one to taste the fruit. They are not very many for sale at local nurseys and hard to find. I cannot import citrus trees here, must buy locally.
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