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Mark_T
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Posted: Wed 28 Jul, 2010 9:59 pm

I was checking out the Bizzarria citrus at: http://www.homecitrusgrowers.co.uk/citrusvarieties/bizzarria.html

They are really interesting trees, lovely to look at. So I'm wondering. Can or has anyone ever created an intentional graft chimera like these?
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Posted: Thu 29 Jul, 2010 7:08 pm

Wow that citrus is awesome. This goes way beyond a variegated variety. This is a true collectors item

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Posted: Thu 29 Jul, 2010 7:52 pm

I know, they are amazing.
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Posted: Fri 30 Jul, 2010 2:24 am

Mark_T wrote:
I know, they are amazing.
No chance we will ever get these varities

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Posted: Fri 30 Jul, 2010 4:01 am

Why not?
I know someone who sells it. But in Europe.

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Posted: Fri 30 Jul, 2010 1:06 pm

But in Europe.

I'm in the USA.

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Posted: Sat 31 Jul, 2010 8:44 am

I know that. That's way I said "But in Europe".
Though I find it impossible to not find one in the US. I've been there a couple of times and you can find whatever you wish for there.
Search the internet and you will surely find it.

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Posted: Sat 31 Jul, 2010 2:11 pm

So... who has it in Europe? I noticed that Flora Toscana has a citrus aurantium "bizzarria" in their catalog, but it hasn't been available for as long as I can tell, and from the picture shown, I'm not sure it really is a chimera.

http://www.flora-toskana.de/onlineshop2/product_info.php?cPath=229_810&products_id=6436

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David.
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Posted: Sat 31 Jul, 2010 6:36 pm

covrig wrote:
I know that. That's way I said "But in Europe".
Though I find it impossible to not find one in the US. I've been there a couple of times and you can find whatever you wish for there.
Search the internet and you will surely find it.


I might come off alittle rude. Sorry
But yeah it si very hard to find here and to top it off they are really strict here on importing any citrus here.

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Posted: Sat 14 Aug, 2010 8:00 pm

I remember that someone created chimera hybrids between tomato and black nightshade. They split the buds in half thru the eye.., and made one bud from two different halves. If they shot out and tissues united, a chimera formed.
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Posted: Sun 15 Aug, 2010 1:40 am

pagnr wrote:
I remember that someone created chimera hybrids between tomato and black nightshade. They split the buds in half thru the eye.., and made one bud from two different halves. If they shot out and tissues united, a chimera formed.


Interesting stuff, pagnr. I wonder why this isn't more common. I mean you have this group of Bizarria trees, that are explained as graft chimera's. So some apparent rarity happened several times in one garden? What are the odds?
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Posted: Sun 15 Aug, 2010 2:47 pm

I haven't heard of more than one graft chimera ever ocurring in the same garden.
I would guess that the only way to possibly try to deliberately create a citrus graft chimera would be to use the micro-propagation methods used to eliminate citrus virusses. In this case you would precisely split the growing points of two different varieties and join the different halves.
However, normal micropropagation is a highly skilled laboratory procedure. Further dissection and propagation would be even more difficult, and even then results would be uncertain. Without any commercial application I don't suppose many labs would be interested in trying.
By the way, is the graft chimera "+Laburnocytisus Adamii" ever seen in the US? Here in England I know of two examples of this very strange laburnum tree. It produces mainly standard yellow Laburnum flowers, but purple Broom flowers in places.
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Posted: Fri 20 Aug, 2010 6:23 pm

Even then, the existing Citrus graft chimeras are all accidental [?] , so no one is attempting to create them by using particular techniques. Possibly using large chip buds with big eyes, parafilm/buddytape etc and razor blades,( and a few old videotapes of MacGyver), you might be able to try it yourself ? The tomato/nightshade was done years ago, so it was pretty basic. Nowdays there is probably more being done with somatic hybrids, fusing pollen or cells to create chimeras for genetic studies.
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Posted: Fri 20 Aug, 2010 8:13 pm

They are amazing trees, so I could see a market in reproducing it. I thought most of the Bizarria Citrus were in the Italian gardens which why I said the same garden. Sorry, for the mistake.
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