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Jack on HHI
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Posted: Fri 20 Oct, 2006 1:51 pm

seen or used electric heating cables to wrap around the trunk of cold sensitive trees? Any ideas? Thanks, Jack.
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karpes
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Posted: Fri 20 Oct, 2006 3:44 pm

Jack
Typically the heat tracing wire generates no more than 3 watts per linear foot, and cost anywhere from $1.50 to $2.50 per foot. In my opinion it would not be practical.
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karpes
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct, 2006 9:50 am

Another option would be to form a tent over the tree by using PVC pipe and clear plastic.
What you do is drive four pieces of 5/8” rebar in the ground equally spaced around the tree or potted plants. The rebar needs to be slightly angled towards the tree. Push one end of a piece of ¾” PVC pipe over one in ground rebar and bend an arc over to the other side. Adjust the height by the length of the PVC pipes. Repeat again and you have the frame work for the support. It’s best if you tie together the PVC as they intersect above the tree. Next spread plastic or one of those cheap plastic covers over the support and anchor to the ground. Add a lights and you have a structure that will keep your plants warm.
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mrtexas
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Posted: Sat 21 Oct, 2006 10:52 pm

How about this way? This is pink grapefruit on flying dragon.
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JoeReal
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Posted: Sun 22 Oct, 2006 12:09 am

That is cool! Is there any underground insulation? Usually I would put at least R13 that's min of about 4" thick, and inside that, I would install copper pipes for heating via heated water. Then place the soil with proper drainage that can pump water out when needed.
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Millet
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Posted: Sun 22 Oct, 2006 12:46 am

Joe, my guess all that insulation and extra heating is not needed in Beaumont, Texas. I believe Phil only has to get through an occasional night. - Millet
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Laaz
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Posted: Sun 22 Oct, 2006 1:27 am

Millet wrote:
Joe, my guess all that insulation and extra heating is not needed in Beaumont, Texas. I believe Phil only has to get through an occasional night. - Millet


That is correct. Our ground never freezes down here in the south. Wink
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JoeReal
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Posted: Sun 22 Oct, 2006 12:00 pm

Yes, that would be appropriate. For mature trees, we don't want growth and so we don't need to keep the soil warm during winter.

Our bare ground occassionally freezes, but my citrus plants inground have soil that has high organic matter and dark compost or dark loamy soil on the top, keeping it always above freezing the entire winter. Organic matter provides good insulation and being dark absorbs more sunlight during winter.

I don't want the plants to grow during winter, but then it is the time when majority of my citrus fruits are harvested. That's one of the reasons why my citruses here is never as sweet as those in Southern California. So I am slowly keeping a keen eye on later harvests, towards spring, summer or fall. But if I have an enclosed structure, for sure, I would put an insulation and heating system bordering underground, just in case I need some growth or ripening during the winter, to make them sweeter. But of course I will have to experiment on that as to how warm the soil would be during the winter.

We know that for oranges and grapefruits, it is the air temperature that can make things sweeter, and not sunlight exposure. I was wondering if soil temperature would play a good part, granting that soil moisture is adequate. What's your experience on this. I would speculate that with warmer soil and good water content, the fruits would be juicier, but as to the taste, I have no idea yet.
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